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Protection of dups trading
in China against internal & External pcracy.
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on 33755134
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MAR 1934
10 To Adury
on 33755/32
In any further communication on this subject, please quote
No. F6595/1394/10
and address-not to any person by name, but to-
"The Under-Secretary of State," Foreign Office, London, S.W. 1.
THE Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs presents his compliments to The under Lerierary of diali
the Colonies
and, by direction of the Secretary of State,
transmits herewith cops of the under-mentioned paper.
Foreign Office,
RECEIVED
24 OCT 1933
C. O. REGY
Reference to previous correspondence: (/)
F.J. Lurier.
F. 5381/1394/10
Description of Enclosure.
sf 23 August, 1973
Name and Date.
Subject.
4M Minister
tropnick N° 1159
of 29 Anquan 1933
Protection
of ships trading
in China agamat piracy.
14-6130 8931 (2)
Similar letter sent to
Admby Bd of T.
(F 6595/1394/10)
No.1159 (29/3D/1933).
Copy to:-
Sub-egation,
Shanghai, Hongkong.
British Legation,
AT PEITAIHO.
29th August, 1933.
In my despatch No.1049 of the 1st August I had
the honour to transmit a copy of a despatch from the
Acting British Consul-General at Shanghai containing the
observations of the Shanghai offices of Messrs. Butterfield
and 3wire and of Messrs. Jardine, Matheson and Company
regarding the views expressed by the Commander-in-Chief on
the subject of fitting ships trading on the China Coast
with grilles as a protection against piracy.
I considered it desirable that the views of the
Commander-in-Chief on this matter should also be brought
to the notice of the Kailan Mining Administration, in view
of the ships which they employ for the transportation of
their coal, and I now have the honour to forward herewith
a copy of a despatch from His Majesty's Consul-General
Tien tein setting forth the opinion of the General
Manager.
It will be noted that Mr. Nathan takes the same
view as the agents of Messrs. Butterfield and Swire and
Jardine, Matheson and Company, and holds that the expense
involved in the fitting of grilles would not be justified.
The Right Honourable
Sir John Simon, G.C.3.I., K.C.V.O.,
eto. etc.
Foreign Office, S.W.1.
The Mining Administration's fleet is, I believe, now
reduced to one or two vessels under the British flag,
the greater part of their coal transport business being
carried on in chartere steamers under foreign flags,
mainly Norwegian.
I have &c.,
(Signed)
MILES W. LAMPSON.
Views of Kailan Mining Administration on active piracy
measures.
and 3 copies)
Copy to Commander-in-Chief.
British Consulate-General,
Tientsin,
25th August, 1933.
With reference to your despatch No.127
(22/3D/1933) of the 6th instant, I have the honour to
inform you that, in accordance with your instructions
I referred to the Kailan Mining Administration the question
of fitting their vessels trading on the China coast with
grilles. I am now in receipt of a reply from the
General Manager in which he states that, while his
technical staff is in favour of the fitting of anti-
piracy grilles to Vessels engaged in the general trade
on the China coast, the position of the Administration
is peculiar in that deck passengers are seldom carried in
its vessels which are rarely called upon to anchor except
in protected anchorages.
Further the majority are not
fitted for the carriage of first class passengers and,
as coal carriers, offer little inducement to pirates.
In these circumstances, Mr. Nathan does not feel that
the expense involved in the fitting of grilles would be
justified.
His Majesty's Minister,
British egation,
I have &C..
LANCELOT GILES.
(Signed)
TOYO KOHO
Downing Street,
September, 1933.
king 49.6.23.
ŷr.E.M.Min, Coking
Admiralty 28.6.32.
I have the honour to transmit to you
the accompan ing sopy of a despatch from is
Eajesty's Minister at Peking to the Secretary of
State for Foreign Affaire regarding a recommendation
of the Commander-in-Chief, China Station, that
ships trading on the Chias coast should be fitted
with grilles and supplemented when practionble
with an armed guard, as protection against
internal and externel pirsay A copy of a letter
from the Admiralty to the Foreign Office on the
subject is also enclosed,
3. I should be glad if you would furnish
me with your observations on the matter and
particularly with information as to local
experience of the use of grilles by shipping based
on Hong Kong.
I have the honour to be
GOVERNOR
Your most obedient
humble servant,
(Sgd.) P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER.
SIA ILLIAM PIEL, K.C.H.O., I.3.5.
M,. Delahunt. 16 9.33. Mr. Bickle
Mr. Parkinson.
Mr. Tomlinson.
Sir C. Bottomley.
Sir J. Shuckburgh.
Permt. U.S. of S.
Parly. U.S. of S.
Secretary of State.
DRAFT.s.
HONG KONG
13838/1933 Hong Kong.
Downing Street,
33755134
Fr. ..Minister Teking,29/6
(encl. am sub-encl.in No.1)
emy. to F.0. 28/8
encl. in 2)
FURTHER ACTION.
Copy wyout enell, to
September, 1933.
I have etc. to transmit
to you the accompanying copy of a
despatch from His Majesty's Minister
at Peking to the S. of S. for Foreign
Affairs regarding a recommendation
of the Commander-in-Chief, China
Station, that ships trading on the
China Coast should be fitted with
grilles and supplemented wher
practicable with an armed guard, as
a protection against internal and
external piracy, together with copy
of a letter from the Admiralty to
the Foreign Office on the subjects
an closed,
I should be glad if you
would furnish me with your observa-
tions on a matter and particularly
with information as to local
the use of
experience of grilles a shipping
Pod based on Hong Kong.
1 Lave, &c. I
(Sgd.) P. CUNLIFFE-LISTER,
13838/33
20 September
I am directed by Secretary Sir Philip
Cunliffe-Lister to aøknowledge the receipt of your
letter No. P 3887/1804/10 of the 23rd August,
enclosing a copy of a deepston from Fla Majesty's
Minister at reking regarding a recommendation of
the Commander-in-hief, China Station, that ships
trading on the Chine Coast should be fitted with
grilles and supplemented when practicable with an
armed guard, as & protection against piracy, and
to request you to intorm the Secretary of State for
Foreign Affairs that the Governor of Kong Kong is
being consulted in the matter. A further letter
will be sent to the Foreign Office in due course.
2. A copy of this letter is being sent to
the Admiralty and to the Board of Trade.
TRS UBMD SECRETARY OF SKATE
PULICS OFFICE.
I am, Sir,
Your most obedient Servant,
(Signed) H. R. COWELL
Downing Street,
September, 1933.
Mr. Delahunt. 16.9.33.
Mr. Bickle
Mr. Parkinson.
Mr. Tomlinson.
Sir C. Bottomley.
Sir J. Shuckburgh.
13833/1933 Hong Kong.
Permt. U.S. of S.
Parly. U.S. of S.
Secretary of State.
THE U.S. OF S.
FOREIGN OFFICE.
FURTHER ACTION.
Copy to Admiralty ani B. of T., L.F.
I am etc. to ack. the
receipt of your letter No. F 5387/
1394/10 of the 23rd August, enclosing
a copy of a despatch from His Majesty's
Minister at Peking regarding the a
recommendation of the Commander-in-
Chief, China Station, that ships
trading on the China Coast should be
fitted with grilles and supplemented
when practicable with armed guard as
a protection against piracy, and to
request you to inform the S. of S.
for F.A. that the Governor of Hong
Kong is being consulted in the matter.
and that further letter will be
sent to the Foreign Office in due
A cony of this letter is
being sent to the Admiralty and the
Board of Trade.
I am, &c
(Signed) H. R. DOWELL
end. dott.
With the compliments of the
Secretary of the Admiralty.
RECEIVED
E 29 AUG 1933
Admiralty.
28th August 19 33
Admiralty Ref.No. M.4175/33.
Your Ref. No.
The Under Secretary of State,
Colonial Office,
28th August,
M.4175/33.
With reference to your letter of the 16th
August, No. F.5387/1394/10, I am commarded by My
Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty to acquaint you,
for the information of the Secretary of State for
Foreign Affairs, that They concur in the recommendations
of the Commander-in-Chief, China Station, that shipa
trading anywhere in China should be fitted with grilles
and supplemented when practicable with an armed guard
as a protection against internal and external piracy.
Copies of this letter have been sent to the
ard of Trade and Colonial office.
The Under Secretary of State,
Foreign Office,
I am, Sir,
Your obedient Servant
In any further communication on this subject, please quote
F 538 / 139.4 / 10.
and address—not to any person by namé, but
"The Under-Secretary of State," Foreign Office, London, S.W. 1.
THE Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs presents his compliments to
Under- Secretary of State
for the Colonies, and, by direction of the Secretary of State,
transmits herewith copus of the under- mentioned paper for such
observations as Sir P. Cunliffe-Lister
may desire to offer.
Foreign Office,
23rd August, 1983.
Reference to previous correspondence :
Description of Enclosure.
RECEIVED E-24 AUG 1933
C. O. REGY
Jenny & of govs lipg
Name and Date.
Subject.
AM. Representative
40 917 of 29th June
Protection
of ships trading
in China against internal
and External piracy.
Similar letter sent to BOZT.
5387/1394/10)
No.917 (11/3.D/1933)
Copied to: C-in-C.
Shanghai. Sub-Legation.
BRITISH LEGATION,
29th June, 1933.
I have the honour to transmit herewith a copy of
a despatch from the Commander in Chief strongly urging
that ships trading on the China coast should be
fitted with grilles and supplemented when practicable
with an armed guard as a protection against internal
and external piracy, and requesting that the British
Shipping Companies should be approached officially in
the matter.
2. The Shipping Companies may be expected to object
to the erection of grilles, if for no other reason, on
the grounds of the expense involved and it may, therefore,
be difficult to press them in the matter.
At the same time
every possible precautionary measure for dealing with the
piracy problem must be fully considered and I accordingly
report this matter for any action which you may tuink fit
to take with the London principals of the suipping companies.
In the meantime I have instructed the Acting British
Consul-General at Shanghai to bring Admiral Sir F. Dreyer's
views to the notice of their Shanghai Offices.
I have, etc.
(Signed)
MI ES W. LAMPSON.
The Right Honourable
Sir John Simon, G.C.S.I.,K.C.V.O.,
etc., etc.,
Foreign Office.
THE BRITISH NAVAL COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF
CHINA STATION.
H.M.S. "Kent" at Weihaiwei.
18th June, 1933.
Your Excellency,
I have the honour to refer to my telegram No.165,
despatched to you on the 14th April, 1933, after my visit
to the s.s "NANCHANG", in which I suggested that consideration
might have to be given to the desirability of fitting
certain suips trading anywhere on the China Coast with
grilles as a protection against internal or external
2. I was fortunately able to discuss this question,
during my visit to Shanghai in May of this year, with
Mr.N.S.Brown, the Managing Director in China for Messrs.
Butterfield and Swire. To my contention that the piracy
of the s.s. "Nanchang" could never have occurred had the
vessel been fitted with a grille, Mr. Brown replied that
this was an isolated case which was unlikely to happen
again because merchant suip officers would now be on their
Partly on this ground and partly on the ground
of the expense involved, Mr.Brown expressed himself as
decidedly averse to the princi pae of extending grilles
to suips navigating North China waters.
A point worthy of note in this connection is
the fact that the erection of grilles in existing ships
interferes with the crew going about their various duties
His Excellency
The British Minister,
Peiping.
though this disadvantage is being eliminated in
new ships.
5. Since the "Nanchang" piracy, the Japanese-owned
s.s. "Hoshun Maru" was pirated on 22nd May, 1933, in
Northern waters. This was a case of internal piracy,
the pirates embarking at Tientsin as passengers.
there be a disbandment of the Northern armies on any
large scale there seems some reason to anticipate a
possibility of further cases of this nature occurring
even in British-owned suips.
6. I am strongly of the opinion that ships trading
anywhere in China, particularly vessels carrying Chinese
passengers, can only be reasonably safe from piracy if
fitted with a grille, supplemented when practicable with
an armed guard. I realise that with trade as bad as it
is at present, British shipowners will not willingly go
to any extra expense, but I consider it advisable that you
should be aware of my views on this question, and I suggest
that the Shipping Companies should be approached officially
in the matter.
I have, etc.,
(Signed) FRED C.DREYER
Admiral.