note has be
that in the fact is that it Ihan to pay money
postconvenant à do so (i fixeras)/ then I record muzy
21/6 89. wm?
this sans the int (ita) delay of transmission. M.
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Copy War Office conth
Ancre & ko.
22-Junt 1869
b281 egz
My Lord,
Government House,
Hong Kong, 24th April, 1869.
I have the honor to enclose herewich for transmission to the Secretary of State for the aut
-application made by James Mallon', lale a Privater
O.Ms. Jo ? Regiment and now in the Police Force of this Colorry for a gratuity from the War
The Right Here able
Earl Granville, R. G.
Her Majesty's Rincipal Scenetary of States
Herg Heng
MINUTE PAPER.
The Army
years' service in the
Office for 18 years'
terms of Paragraph 17 of the Circular N: 871
references to the Passion of Discharged Soldies.
Mallon has recently been enrolled in
the Police Pace of this Colony, and it is suggested by the Limit. Colored Commanding the 16th Regiment fan which Mallow has beur dischargi?, that the gratuity which he claims should be remitted to this Government to be dealt with
best for Mallon's intuest within the 18
marishs' specified
in Circular 871.
I have the honor to be,
My Lord,
You Lordship's most obidint
humble sewant,
whard Brann, Macdonnell
Governor
So I Magen.
To War Offeri
Mf.. Lett.
In 6877/
Coppil No 65.
Sim in ons -
Police Department,
28. April, 1869
Those the honor to forward to
His Exaltenay the Governor on behalf of
P... J. Morellow man, application for the payment of I. 16.0.0. from the Military
F Arithorities ; Should he prong that His. Excellency may be pleased to forward. this application to the proper Authorities.
Under the Regulation printed in
the small book given to each Soldier it. appears that each man who wishes to- settle in the Colonies may, on production
The Moverable,
J. Gardiner Austin,
Colonial Secretary
Medical Certificate that he is in good. health; be allowed by the Secretary of State for War or grativity proportioned to the length of his service.
Ae this Canstable has according to
enclosed, served in the
the discharge
Arming for 13 years and 35 days he would be entitled to the amount above stated.
I hover #
Signed's W. M. Deoane,
Explicies Superintendent.
Private Jarmes Molton 75th Regiment.
Kong Hong, 25. April, 1849.
Sert fy that I have conrefully semine
the man named in the
rgin and
consider him in sound health and free
from Physical ailment...
(Signed) W. Romsary, G.R.C.S.
Ivergeon 10 Regiment.
HQ Foton C41)
(Copy) Should this Garchment be lost or misleid, no
can be obtained_
Parchment Certificades
45 4Regiment of Foot
These are to certify that . Nr 2914 26.10
Perpliocite of 236
My 24 Rey ! 350G Privati Jor
Mallow born in the Ferrish of Carnaross in or near
the Town
of Kells in the County of Merith was enlisted out Kills for
"Regiment
ut on the 25. Jomary 1800 at the Age of 17 njears. That the Services he is entitled to reation is to years and 35 Plays towards the completion of his limited engagement, 18 years 241 Days towards Pay and Pension:
That he is discharged in consequence of his own request Free
(Signed) I. Milles,
Service Abrord 19 yours.
Medals...
Dated: Hony Konz
23. Aory of Tchruary 18607g.
St. Gotowel
Commanding Officers . 75. Ney
Novy Kony 28th day of Thruary, 1869.
Discharge of Private James Mullon confirmed.
(Signed) J. K. Brinker,
Major General Commanding
Character and Conduct,
Reported by Regimental Bowral.
Character and conduct have been foris.
(Signed) I. Mitts, Colemel
Commanding of Regiment,
The Soldier's Phero ator to be inserted only when recommendatang; if t youral conduct of or Soldier, whichst in the Service, how Cover sucks is torogives "hiew no obxive to hrave, any thing said in his favour, the spores for n character in the above Certificate is to be out.
I close wider the blanks
linesefallowing the confirmation of his Discharger
thereby leaving
opportunity for any addition to be made after the Certificate is
Zinion to the Merr.
When a Soldier is Liselimaye d'en account of disgraceful conduct will appear in the body of the Certificate.
KAT 10,000
Soldiers of good: Chouraster, who, be disabanged after the Completion of the first terms of Limited. Service will be permitted to re engranger in to the Saree Arm of the service was that from which thong discharged; and Goldions of good Character who may be discharged during the first toron of Limited Service will be farmilled to re-entrat into any Aren of the Services, if, in either cowser, they over muts in bowe
years of Age; and provided they shall declares the periods of their former Service and produce: their Parchment Certificate Drachmung, but they will not be allowed to reations theirs former service lowmads Good Condual Pay and Pension, unless they re engage or re-enlist within 12 months from the date of their
Soldiers discharged, during their second terms of Limited Service cannot be permitted to rew enter the Army or third
disation
Particulars of Marching Money issued to No: 2,509 - Primate James Mellon 175 Regiment.
on his token a free discharge. (signed) Capitain Maring;
Paymaster 75: Regiment.
"Final Description on Baxte
of Discharge!
Of N. 3509 Private Jorinco Matlon giment of Foot.
of the f
this 28th day of February, 1869.
Anger 36rjers, 35 cloggs.
Height 5 ft 11 in thes.
ts of body. None! Marky or Sears, not ther on the pre
Trade Labourer!
or other
Interde di place of residence
Fischarge Board: which is, responsible. Phoca boon to be filled up by the for the correctness of the description.
(Free Copies)
Colonial Secretary:
Hongkong
hartered
6877.8657
The Under en tan optat
Was Diet
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drop a tit
from the for opsttough on y
Enclaring
application
By James Shelton, Jaka pronte in the 75th
Iolen force gftat Colony, for
" grabit from the When Offic K ZR
Separate
lisys thang trong Government Hause, Hong Kong, 24th April, 1869.
JURE 1 1863
May Lord,
I have the honor to acknowledge
the receipt, on the 20% instant, of Your Lordship's despatches as follows:
Originals
* No 25 to 34, the last of 12a March, 1869
? Circular of ~bircular of & Letter of
19+ Hubmary-
Circular of
10th March...
The Right Honorable,
Earl Granville, K. G.
Hour Mapestijo Trincipal Secretary of State,
Lutter of 5+ February 1869.
19 to 24 inclusive.
Duplicates.
flaircular of Caurcular of 165
Your Lordship's most obedient,
I have the honor to ber
May Lord,
humble, Servant,
Mnr. Come
This list purports to be that
of our mails of the $5 thg 12" March, but
it appartably invents " crsula y of 19th Fits."," as it is wither in our lists of the mails or in the corally book; dit further draws a distinction between letters of Circulars, which I do not understand JKR 46.
Mr. Cose
dham asustained, aflee muel bible that the Cincedow of the 19th of
Libra else is right. 31.5.3 Everything
grams Madonnell.
Walkerunt
I think when
from the Library
brudar is sent
Crusher Book.
de should affear
every (trentar to the wepto I ha
desired Thompern to obocive strictly
to the rhi to deliver a cory of
in future. With
Governor
Hrongtong Separate
24th April, 1869.
Sir Richard Graves Machlannell, b. 13.
The Right Honorable,
Earl Granville, K. G.
Acknowledgment of Despatches
to No. 34 of 12th March, 1869.
511 6 Govt. n° 159-70cl sbr. 1869,
6879 thung dung
JUNE 12 1863
Social Science Ass:
May Lord,
PRINTED FOR PARLIAMENT
Government House, Hongkong, 24th April, 1869
I have the honor to acknowledge
receipt of Your Lordship's despatch No 16 of the 4th February bust covering copy of
8497756 correspondence with and a Memorial from
the" "Afoociation for promotion of Social
The Night Honorable,
Earl Granville, K.G..
Her Majesty's Principal Secretary of State,
ience in reference to
had sent to a previous Memorial from
that society.
This reference to the subject may appeur somewhat lute, but I confess that
my original intention to
notice that correspondence or the statements
subsequently advanced by Members of the Aperivation in their interview with.
Lordship
th Your the 9th February, because
their apertions appeared so palpably
incorrect and their arquimento
with any subject
any subject in all its details, and
who resides an
on the spot where a novel
exceptional experiment, like that under discusion, is being becomes too apt from his
carried out,
propinquity to the best sources of information to misapprehend the great difficulties of others lefs favorably situated. He does not find it easy to realize the burden
distance. The inaccur of detecting at
the inaccuracy
of statimento positively advanced when
at hand with the
information to refute them.
There is also difficulty
inconclusive,
to leave
my reply
strongly
their first Memorial practically untouched 3. It has, however, been since
on me that a person like myself, whose attention has been much occupied
necessary
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appartioning correctly in such cuses the relative weight, which facts bear to the whole
admitted
argument I
therefore feel it my duty to prove the inaccuracy of the leading Statements of the Memorialioto in their written
as well as in their
communication,
interview with Your Lordship. I
perceive that
Silence might under my the circumstances be otherwise misinterpreted.
5. In the following remarks, however, Tonly seek to Carrect actual mistattes as to fact, for the purpose of better enabling Your Lordship to determine what policy He M's Government, should finally adept in this matter. It would therefore Serve no
good purpose now to allude to the numerous mistattes into which the Memorialists have fallen in supposing that I had
_suppressed" my reply both in the Colony and from them. whilst at the same time they say that " Ipublished it to
the World.
a proceeding which appearo
at least inconsistent with
as it is
to suppreps it. Posibly I man - understand their meaning, obscured by the phraseology of Par 8
in their Memorial to which I am
refring. Japume them, however, to
be now at least aware that such-
untenable and I have charges to thank Your Lordship for at once
an end to such absurd
imputations by forwarding to the
Memorialisto
my reply.
6. Nevertheles before entering into
the new matter brought forward by the Memorialists it is better to clear up Some minor inaccuracies in their comments
on that reply. I admit it has little connection with the main question whether I devoted eleven Pars:, as they state, or more to refuting apertion, viz. that I had put up the
an untrue
Licensing farm to sale and granted it
to the highest bidder. on whether I had stated in the last paragraph of mij
I such an
reply, that a refutation of
afoution
the one "one
single object
to which they say the whole of that
pretended reply to the lommer Memorial
was devated."
As a matter of curiosity however
be worthy of note that the last paragraph of my reply makes such apertion. On the contrary
founds my
claim on their attention
to their misstatement of a particular fict, whilst it craves indulgence for
"the additional remarks" made. and I presume the
fact of my introducing those remark's proved them to be at least an abject and posibly a very important abject of the so called "pretended reply. Iudmit the justice
of applying a similar writhmeticul computation of the Nr of Paragraphs in which a statement is repented,
as a test
of the value attributed to, or the force really meant to be given to such
statement. Thus, if to put an extreme
be called a liar in
merely one solitary papage" which
is the plea ad misericardium" of the
alluding to their
Memorialisto in
most unfounded charge, of this Government having sold the Licensing Sturm to the highest bidder - the person
alluded to would according Memorialists have lefs right to refute
such change than if it had been made
in ww more
than one paragraph.
The palitary paragraph involved
a direct contradition of my whole explanation of the Government Edicy
that such Policy.
and implied
lep guided by a Sendid
mative of greed. Therefore if I had
consumed.
more than
than eleven
eleven Paragrapho
(for the Memorialists have counted them,) in refuting misrepresentations point which I then stated, " to be the "easiest and most unfair
which Istill
'to excite pohutar prejudice", I still conceive that I was
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perfectly justified
may perhaps
seem superfluous
consume another paragraph
punoning the Memorialicts to the position where they have retreated, and depriving them of the consolation of endeavoring to perswade Your Lordship that reading "their former statement with the context open to the charge of
they are not.
maccuracy
"because I did not venture
to say that the offer of upwards of
300,000 dollars was made by a bidder "
to que ofe
As I have no other conception
a man who "bido" than
makes an offer
offer than
as one who "bido",
I confefs such a distinction without a difference, us laid down
seems to
by the Memorialists,
punerite und ummeaning. I
quoted for their information a
statement advanced
despatch from Buckinghum to tide for the
to the Duke of 18,
the ellect that more than $300,000,
last $365,000 had been actually offered
the Annual License Fee. Whether
a bid on an
an "offer" seems quite
to of State No 439 30th Jomuany
immaterial. I could as easily have
accepted it, and obtained the advance caution money from the parties offering it, as if they had bid, and I have no reason to regard such offer as lef "bona fide" than that, which was
whilst there
mode in which
accepteds
difference in the
any of the offers viz by written tender.
The Maemanialists, however, insinuate
after all a lower bid with "good security t° 4° might be equivalent to the highest. That is precisely one of the
many cefpertions which can be
easily predicated of all such transactions, and yet admits of no refutation. I confefs it to be easier to ensure fundival
payment of £100 than £200 to rent
for anything, aut when, instead
dealing with generalities, the Memorialists prove the motive of this Government not to have
been what I aperted but to have effort to get the greatest simply been amount procurable with certainty, they
will then have advanced a step further towards establishing their case. Till then their argument, which by
aformed me and my Executive banneil to be throughout univarthy of belief- is but
is but a dreary and unapplied platitude, that commands universal
apent Inew pass to unether part of
the subject on which the Memorialists
and which I may designate
greatly rely, their personal argument - they afoume,
at least mention it to have been stated that a Mo" buldwell, formerly Registrar General of the leakony had in some way negotiated on conducted the grant of the Goumbling Farm, and that the subject is thereby invested with a
and painful interest."
shall not encumber. this despatch
by any protracted inquiry into the personal merito or demerits of M baldwell. He has
Government
no connection with
and the point is irrelevant- My attention was first called to his case
a very unexpected appeal to me in his favor by the Membero
the Legislative and..
others who seemed to think that the
prassisions which I matined soon after my anival for the better Registration of shipping and prevention of Siracy by
the "Harbor and boasto Ordinance" could be No 6 of 1866. greatly promoted by Mr baldwell's aid. I flound a very general impression that (although he had been extremely infudicious "in his "long
and intimate connection with
The Ma. chow. Wong alluded to by the Memorialioto which is really the main fault brought home to him by the Commision of Inquiry, and
never denied by him, he I was rather the dupe than the confederate
and that he had not been
a dishonest
or noelep Public servant. Imyself.
doubted whether in one or
two respects
M burdwell had been rightly judged 14. On the whole I was for a short time not disinclined to consider the
that I had
suggestion of the baunsil if sepprovent by the pecreting of State, but soon found no need far M-baldwell's services either directly or indirectly, because the working of the new Registration
able, superintendime.
Ordinance under the
of Mr becil Smith, who is also a competent Chinese schover, speasily relieved me of uny apprehension as to the icbility of Government to meet the exigences of the position,
Mr baldwell, however, is to this day profeimatly ignorant of the impression, which the appeal of the bonnal made
on me at the time, and it will be
gratifying to the Memorialists to learn,
that I never even
Communication with Mbaldwell till nearly a year after the original of
what they call the Gambling Houses N. $of 1566. Ordinance had been paped. I may add
in done in maturing
was done
that whatever
measure, as well as all the pulpequent
stecho connected with setting it forming the Licenses,
all carried
pout by myself in conjunction with Members of my coucutive Council, M2 Couldwell
never exercised the most remote
influence in shaping the Government Policy in connection with that bubject. 16. Nevertheless the position and
legitimate influence which Mrbaldwell
undeniably
does hold here in reference
to the Chinese Community and the
confidence which they repose in him
such that in all large
or unusual
-operations carried on by Chinese, it would be surprising if they did not look to him as their special adviser. Thus when all the Government usures had been
completed Mr Caldwell then appeared
on the scene,
the accredited, Agent of
the parties who had obtained the Licenses.
14. Contrary, however, to what the Memorialists imply Mr Caldwell
Vide Endo; 3 at once
on you? to Sacy of State No 571 of 511 of
very summarily prevented by
16 sept test from transacting any busines with the
Government and, to avoid all room for misconception as to the motives and intentions of Government in so novel
experiment, I insisted on the Licensees at the outset transacting thein business direct with myself, attended by some I members of the Executive Council. a
plan which with the afcistance of M becil Smith I found no difficulty in /camping out.
18. If I have
any sympathy fav
M = baldwell he has had no reason to
actions, for when
an exorbitant
Suffose so from my I discovered that he received what I thought
salary from the Lismous I immediately reported the fact to the Secretary of State, and foreseeing
that such a proceeding might be misunderstood by the Chinese I secured its reduction by three-fourths-
though his duties
•being doubled. Finally I now regard him as a hand
who thoroughly
worked man.
what he receives from his employers
the other hand the latter retain him
simply because he is the best man they
out the Government
can hire to
Cany Regulations against illegal Gamblers,
and apist in the detection of returned Comicts and bad characters.
tive, contrary
19. In fact if worrything alleged against Mr baldwell to the general impresion here, I should look on him as being at last in his
right place and should
and should consider that
Goverment has infinitely lefs to do with his character and status than with the character of the Licensees. He is a mere
instrument, though an effective whilst from the nature of the system established, the better he serves his immediate implayers the better he also serves the Public and the Government. Hence I do not believe that"
for painful interest as alleged by. Memorialisto is brought to bear on this question through any part takken, therein Mo" baldwell, On the contrary that ( Gentleman seems at list to be
I in the most appropriate
Your Lordship perceives
that although
in the above remark to I
paint ant for Your Sendship's information of the Memorialists I do so
without the intention or expectation
of converting the latter to They still maintain, and no will maintain, that
doubt always
of the facts
and proofs upon which their first Memorial
• "founded are refuted".
or even noticed except by an occasional "denial" whilst "my silence
as to many my silence as to
of them would seem to confess them
to be true.
I protest, however, against the
task, which these Gentlemen
neverzending
and others would furt
and conclude that two and two
make four, but I do not undutatte
to make muilling
reasoners
comprehend
simplest, argumento or mast my evident conclusions. I moreover never
assumed in my reply to them to enter
and have been
every topic connected with matters which have occupied attention for upwards of two and a half years the subject of a voluminous correspondence. and I deny that I can reasonably be supposed to admit all apertions, which I have done what
I do not allude
could expect.
all but the most excresting I have from time to time, as reference
despatches will prove, patiently
uplied to fresh arguments as they against the peticy of the present Licensing.
system, whilst I have never
•pretended to uphold it against any equally effective measure to put
down Police
corruption, and Suppres the evils of
serret gaming. I took the liberty of
Therefore
referring the Memorialiats,
Memorialiato, in more them
e paragraph of my reply, to the previously published official correspondence on the subject, and confess my inability
subject-grad
to do much more, because no
amount of
reiteration can strengthen
argument. 23. I will illustrate this by refering
to the stock,
• argument of all who afume that they prove the impalicy and iniquity of a particular policy. imputing unworthy motives to those
ponry by
who have the responsibility of a Superintending it. Such reasoners arque that Licensed Gumbling pratures a revenue, and therefore that revenue must be the object of Licensing, and hence they conclude that such Tolicy iniquitous and myself a very sort of person indeed for supporting-
Dott. On the other hand Imaintain
that their conclusion is mere
tion and not just inference, because their main famise ring that Kennue farms the abject of myself and barnail is untrue, and therefore the conclusion which it supports falls to the ground. 25. Now, unlips I and my baunil
unworthy of credit,
abject by
which I mean the primary abject of
the whole policy, and in the absence of which abject there would be no Licensing systim ut all, is and has always been the suppression of Police corruption and of the
: many gros evils inseparable from the existence of secret gaming haunts,
see no other means
extirpating 26. If therefore,
our motive be a
matter calculated to affect the I do not see why I and my
affect the discussion
Executive
bouncil, who must know what we think and wish, less trustworthy than Mr Monnow, while, So far as the on
correspondence and own actions can
our intentions,
corroborate
Sulifert
we think they afsertions.
my first, despatch on the NEMZ
which is that most calculated
from it's somewhat crude expresions of my early ideas to favor the theary of the Memorialists. I mentioned that the.
measure was
advocated by the Members of the Legislative bomnil and centivmly Inever heard clifections, here
28th August
one till long afterwards as to the Revenue arising insidentally from. it. Nevertheless if it had been proposed merely
of prising Revenue I am convinced that it would not have
as a means
received the vote of the bouncil.
individual in
ground, however,
on which even
then I myself placed its necefaity Pared)
changed and is still the
same viz: the hopelefones of suppressing
Gambling by
Police procurable by the bolony together with the miserable corruption of
Delice To V. To all resulting from the
old system which seemed to thoroughly played aut
I mentioned in the same despatch
the large amount which the lehinese
would give for Licenses
ses and which I then computed at $200,000 per (which strange to say is the
now paid) as a tolerable measure the extent of the bribes which the Chinese
afford to offer.
I also observe that
albute in the same penterice to Revenue to be derived from Gaming Licenses,
that actually though
drawn from Opium
meaning thereby to put
Sume Cutegory
the tive things in the §.
except us to the fact of a Revenue
resulting from each. There may be good
a revenue.
Opium here us from the Sale of Spirits
w England, but nothing Cauld justify Legislation framed with the object.
object of
Revenue from gaming 30. Discussions by the Trefo England, where of course the exceptional circumstances of this beckony are only understood by very few, had s
the effect subsequently of inducing several here to apure as high a moral tome as their friends at home, and to affect an equal harror of any Revenue arising from such a source, though I understand that at an earlier perial blergymen to get
attempt by
up a petition against the measure failed to obtain a
• dozen signatures. 31. It is most unfortunate however
that whilst all
were anscious to abolish carruption amongst the Police and also to fuit down secret gaming, seemed able to suggest
Suggest any
other equally
efficient system fix accomplishing those admittedly important objects.
32. I have always said, and have
that the
said it in fifty different ways Revenue in question does not comprise the system and is not the cbject of the system. It is a
excrescence.
thing apart an
be separated
from it and thrown into the pea
otherwise got rid of. It
to un Hospital. It may
be presented
used foolishly
but I have persistently denied the right to mix it up with the objects of
encumbrance
to which it is more an policy to than a help by reason of the discrpins
it provattes.
33. That is the argument to which I alluded above (Fur N₤21) when I stated that I had practically only uperted two and two made
e four but
not responsible for the Memaricelists failing to see it, for that proposition is not clearer than the fact that a Revenue resulting from the bircensing system is
argument against that Systim provided these two conditions be established. First that Revenue is not the aliject of the system and Secondly that Government really
way in which the evils to be suppressed Can
be otherwise put down. That is a
point of extreme moment and I shall presently, invite Your Lordohifi's special attention
34. Mecantime I should of Course much regret that the unreasoning but well meant sentiments of persons who
themselves unable to substitute a
effective policy, should from any apprehended imputations be allowed
to overthrow a
from the region of experiment and
matured with much Care and trouble
all reasonable
into a highly sucrefful Patice measure that has fully realized expectations.
35. It is, however, high time now
consider whether the second Condition
precedent, which I frankly
to be insisted on, has been established
and it's many
"siz.: that no other effective plan for suffireforing lerret gaming yooks evite instansing Busive overception has yet been devised.
Enclosure 1.
St. Joan
I can imagine Mo", Anstey in his
interview with Your Lordship
on the qu
La Felnuary pasitively affirming that application
of the Laws of bhina in Hongkong have been sufficient to supprefs Gambling, by enforcing
and that it could be done
"collective and mutical responsibility by
the "Rea", and the "tap" and the Taan"! I can also funcy a listener to such declaration exclaiming.
what a shame it
was that this Government had not long.
since resorted to the "tea" and the "Rap" and the "Paan", so effective
effective in China!
I am pure Your Lordship must
have supposed that part of the Memorialists'
case to be
very strong, experially as M? Anotey did not hesitate to say that for
many years
Mbaldwell had been
"the "go. between in the intrigues to legalize "gambling and comert it into a profitable
farm! and that it was untrue this "Government had exhausted pinal
of suppression". Now, whilst merely -
directly, so far rommy administiation,
hraversing
the above apertion as to M baldwell. I
prepared to fain isove important point, and am
neither myself
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the latter confident that
any Member of the
Executive Council would have consented
to the present system, if we had not
conscientiously believed we had exhausted
all other known
availuble means to
eradicate yet greater 38. I take the liberty however in
answer to such allegations against
this Government to "
a statement:
which I made publicly in Mary last year
in laumeil
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questions of
Breloove Hz. Mr Keswick. Those explanations
sufficiently shewed that nothing but necefity drove the Sporemment to adapt
Mentio loon't Parl
Vide Enck. the present policy, and they also illustrated
No 2. Paws 7 48.
Vide End 2
the real feeling of the Chinese in reference
to recent
Legislation,
and instanced the
meffestival attempto made by the Salice by breathing into illegal gambling haunts
to suppress them, because as to exist at the end of a year
many appeared
as at the
Vide Encl. 2. beginning a fact proved in 1865 during
Vida alas Gavemore
to Seey of State No
thighs which 45 illegal Gambling Houses had 1860. The 14 to 7. been broken up.
39. I therefore, observe with pleasure
Your that, in the interview between Ma Lordship and the Memorialists on the best partner
qpt of February, Your Lordship exprepet
anxiety to know whether there any practical way to the suppression
of Gambling in Hongtong by prenal
because the Authorities there said
means and
they had exhausted those
Nice Encl NEA, Extract from London China
yet failed, whereas the Memoricelists aferted that no real attempt had been made
to supprefs fambling. As all the collatual
ipures raised in connection with this subject
are immaterial in comparison with that raised by Maur Lordship,
first rose to excumine carefully. the pasitive apertions on that head
advanced by the Memorialists, and think Main Lardship
of their
that no portion of
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will be satisfied
case is so weak,
capable of direct refutation.
arises from
I need scarcely observe, that what wer difficulty an English Statesman may naturally find in dealing with the venue
Lianses, although derived from gambling Licenses, such Revenue inreprefaility arises effants to regulate a great evil, thought to be otherwise beyond control, such difficulty partatres rather of sentiment than principle, whereas the open establishment in a British bolony of
· system of vicarious punishment, such as that of punishing ten men or a hundred men alike for something done
by one of them
pafaibly by
them but by muttnown parties, is a serious question of principle., Objections have been raised to the old Navy system. of flogging the bast man topsails,
some one
as of Course on
aloft to reef
such occasions
must have been last, but if
all the new had lun flogged because
the master put the vejpel
Sand Bank
it would not have been in principle
injust than hunishing
a hundred
at Hongkong lav pamething clone
probably by
£1. Nevertheless,
is less disposed-
no one is
to raise objections than myself, and if
necepity on public expediency, itternly
requires a special
measure under special
circumstances, I have in such a Case shewn that I am not dispaced to criticise too minutely the
employed. There must, however, be some limit to the application of the principle, for I presume even M. Anstey would not suggest it should be carried us far
as in China,
and would not recommend a British
Governar to texture the aged Parents of
a view to their
supposed Criminal with betraying the place of his concealment. Hence the question of what that limit should be becomes a
paint of detail and
#2! Thus I had not been many
in the bolony before I introduced an-
Noy of 1866 amended
: Ride bea!
Registration, Ordinance with
and unungst
novel and important provisions, anungot them that of vicarious responsibility within certain limito, as for example making Registered Householders responsible for payment of fines, incurred,
by residents
certain offences more
in hauses for especially gaming
Even then Householders are
remedy if they
against the original offenders-
catch them, but to go further would I apprehend be too inconsistent with existing constitutional principles,
conformity with the Legislation
which formerly permitted. Sorture and ather Chinese enamities of the present day.
48. It is also probable that a much
more extensive application of the principle would so overshoot the mark as to render Legislation of thet Hund impracticable and inoperative side wide with English
laws and
usages, for such antagonistic principles Could Scarcely
be wanted harmoniously in English
beourts.
44. In preef of this I have already
reminded He. M's Government of the
marted discontent of the principal Chinese at the provision in question-
whereby any responsibility is imposed on Vide Endl. 2 Householders. by the acts of others,
tenants, over
whom they must
be admitted to have some control.
#5. It may, however, be considered
fortunate, that the attempt to push such
vicarious punishment further.
made here, and therefore
actually
can test
test its
utility and preceps, for Mr Anstey when
here and holding
residing here
holding in influential
position as Attorney General
and Member
it barnait had injoyed the opportunity of himself initiating the experiment. He
actually employed to draught and
apisted to pass Ordinance Net of 1857 which remained in force from May.
year to May 1858.
H.b. M. Lubanchere though not elfecting on the part of obe. Ma's Government to five
the experiment a trial, neverthelefs, whilst Sexy of stake
pointing out some very pulpable defects in
the Ordinance, etatud that he felt "very little
4 of 144 juny
Vride Good
to Seey of State Nest of
confidence that ito
general provisions "would work satisfactorily. Nevertheless,
one here seemed originally disposed to test the experiment fairly, whilst the Governor (Sir John Bowring) exhibited much anxiety on the subject
and must
very great -
21 May 1887. be admitted to have taken
trouble in connection with it.
47. Nevertheles, after a year's experience the prognostications of M2 Labouchere proved carrect, and the Governor in carrying out the instructions of the Secretary of State, as to certain required alterations, not in the least affecting the tithing capetem, judged it expedient, after receiving reports from the Superintendent of Sclice, the Registrar
General,
Governor of the Gaol, as to
The results of their observations and experience, to introduce and
pass the remodelled, Ordinance No8 of 1858, which still remains on the Statute
Book but from which the tithing and the Kap. cheong have fullen out.
M." Anstey, who had draughted
Ordinance and voted for it, and
who had previously reparted to the
Governor that he considered the thought, such so tride his phone
to reconcile.
every opinion and sufficient
"to meet the wishes of the Government","
Barring to Sexy of State Mbr 18+ May 1858.
tude Encl. im Govenor to of No 68. 18th May
protested against it a few days after it triste Build 2 is
Has alleged in his pratect
that his experiment had not been tried,
because no Kap
formed and no
Tithing had been
delivered to ve
Now as the Governor and the Officers
immediately concerned had reported the Ordinance to be impracticable, think their opinion
paint is
Excecutive
much entitled to respect
that of Mr Anstey. I also infer that,
if no tithings
because there
proclaimed, it.
for thinking
the result would not compensate the
trouble and
discontent.
propilly the risk of popular
Jwill however
go further and
say that even if the Ordinance had been carried out to the letter, a reference to the and loose wording of the only sections, which speciaily-distinguished it by introducing bhines usages will prov
very vaque
that its provisions contra at most
unfavorably with the strict enactments
Hesuseholders within the well defined
introduced by myself as to
responsibility Midday of site.
Vide Ordinance
limit's wherein they
are held responsible
I would also point out that the punish-
ment by imprisonment, instead of merely tride Rections
a peruniary penalty
first instance,
so available under the Ordinance
in force for offences against Regulations promulgated for either the suppression on control of Gambling
50. I also cannot admit M?
Anstey's
apertion when, in alluding to enforcing
the Chinese laws of Collective and mutual
Cresponsibility by
of the Tithing
(Hea on Rap) and the hundred (Saar)-
17-18-19-
No 9 of 1867.
Sectiono 19-420-
he describes them institutions which had
been expreply recognized by the Honghong
Legislative
and 1857.0
Ordinances pussed in 18444
The Hong tong Legislative had
recognized no such thing, for the only Ordinance of the Mind praped in 1844,
whereby the Governor was authorized
appoint certain bhinese peace officers when recommended to him by the various
tourno, villages,
and hamlets of the
balony, and if the institution of the Hundred on Paau be of such importance
as M2 Anstey represented it on the Gr
of last February it is most remonttable
that he did not include it in his model
Ordinance of 1857. That Ordinance joes
further than instituting Tithings
and omits the Hundred or
altogether. It is also unfortunate that the same model Ordinance deals with
The collective and mutual responsibility now stated to be so important in
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to be meaningles
almost nerepcurity inoperative.
52. On that paint I have no hesitation
in suying that my person, who, instead
of listening to vargue
declamation on the
wonderful results of the cabalistic
bahinese words with which M" Anotey
probably produced.
impression on
the 9th February, will tum to the, Onlinience
itself droughted by M2 Anstey will find that the duty of each
and each
Householder and
each Aapcheong..
merely to be generally useful in preventing crimes, and, to the extent of their ability",
to aid the constituted Authorities in
vauðurs w
everys, including excecution of writo He and such lite services, whilst there actually is not one syllable about the bhinese doctrine of mutual responsibility
how it is to be enforced beyond
notification in Section XIII
· XIII that
every tithing the occupier of every
house shall
to H. MO. for the
conduct of the others". Every
Every one in
to behave well in a
general something very
and if he did not, som terrible, on the principle
pro magnifico was to happen!
ignotimm
I therefore must say that I should greatly prity any Householder, who might have been expected to learn the extent of
either his duties or liabilities from provisions of MC." Anstey's Ordinance,
I put it to Your Lordship, whether the doctime of mutual responsibility by Householders is not at present more fully
set forth and applied to
clearly set forth
suppression of gambling in the existing Registration Ordinances than it ever was im that shaughters by M Awday.
54. The latter however complained that
This experiment
mever was
tried"; whereas
I think it clear that even
Could have put life into the
if the Authorities
misty shapes of his tithing men and
Proclamation
Rapcheongo ns expenince would thereby
Vide hack a have been gained of the actual worthing
of Vice Roy. Encl. Not me for top of s M: 605 of 28" BAY
of a gemine system of Chinese mutical responsibility towards the Executive. With them that responsibility is most carefully and sharply defined.
55. Iregous therefore that part of the
Memorialiste
Cabe als
complete breat down toemmert & but the enclosed opinion of the present En Ne 3.
Altomiy General (M" Pannefate) will I place more fully and authoritatively before Your Lordship the actival character and extent of the Legistation of the botany
-reference to the pubfects alluded to
Your Lordship
will perceive that
the Attorney General does not support
Mo", Anstey in his condemnation of the
only local. Ordinance against Gambling! N 14 of 1
which the latter states to have been
penned as to be found to be inoperative".
I conceive such
observation to be specially
unfortunate as the Ordinance in question
is remarkable for completeness, distinctness
never heard of
J'cent brevity. I certainly any escape from justice through it's deficiency, though I have heard of
umerous Cases
the quilty escaping through the corruption and venality of the persons charged with execution of the Laws, and who under
the old system would
would fut
put aside en as one Ordinance, In
bloc lift as readily fact Me" Anotey might
draughting twenty. Ordinances frer
on the subject, but of what use would
all be, if the gamblers could.
ers could purchase
immunity from the Palicze. Quis Custodes custodiat ipsos? I therefore regard all
as mere waste of time,
such discussion
now that
we have had
experience.
By So far
Legislation goes for
suppression of Crime the progress in recent
has been peculiarly marthed, and subjects which it was
thought hopelefo
to grapple with, such as Tiracy, have been effectually dealt with. This Government is therefore not open to the change of inertnes in that respect. Neverthelejs, no degislation can prevent employee homing: their price, if there be parties who have
and inclination to buy them. The Government therefore regulated what it
could not abolish, and when Mo" Anstey
aperts that jambling is the one vise
which cannot be regulated and which
this Government "did not pretend to
commito the Memorialists,
merely con
regulate " he
as thin spattesman, to
very foolish
incorrect statement. Gambling is at this moment the subject of Regulations here
It is regulated
persons who
to its hours, as to the
may play, the places where
they may play, the native of the things
which they may
other details.
state and mumerous
58. As the apertions of the Memorialists or those made on their behalf do not seem fortunate. I feel
compunction
depriving them of the support,
which they expected to derive from Mo
Meurrow's
very effective point at their interview with Your Lordship, when
he dwelt on the persistence and succefs
of the lehinese Government in pretting
Chinese Laws against Gambling onces
into effect, and
and affined that Gambling
and was crushed at banton.
59. Gambling is certainly forbidden by Chinese Luw but it is nevertheles openty
truly in the
practised", as stated most truly Prondoni Rust Mo?" Dadlittles admirable book
1868. Page 280.
describing the "Social Life of the Chinese whilst Mor Meunsu's allusion to banton
is especially ill timed at this moment. So far from being "curshed at bunton the Government there last
year concluded.
amangement with
some wea
Chinese, giving them the privitige of
gaming establishments
opening six gaming
years for 330,000 Tails on $446,000
payable to u Government Department. the
above firice is exclusive of
dues exacted, no doubt, by the different
local Mandarino, and
to half as much
amounting probably
bo. Tenclose a
'enclose a thoroughly reliable list! received from two distinct sources of the sive establishments enjoying the sanction, of the Chinese Authenties and I really
not think under such circumstances that Chinese prepuctives or bhinese excample
need in the least affect Your Lordships Calculations, when matting the carrangements
Enclosure W.H:
leest adapted to the interests of the balony. I think the suppression of the gross wits
inseparable from Police Conuption and the
increase of crime
of secret
h the existence
gambling haunts, are subjects
which therefore safely be legislated for
without much
deference to
amy Chinese
anti gambling prefuctices! bot. When recently visiting bantani is view to inspecting the prisono much struck by the spen
there I was
manner w
which street fumbling and
with dice in boolie pheds accesible
to the Public
permitted by the Police. I have since learned the existence
of secret but well he quented houses at Haonam and in Canton which
represented to me to
quite separate from those licensed by the Chinese Government,
In fact from
in bhina is
learn, gambling
every where forbidden
every where practised, and is
everywhere
the source of a great amount of mischief
aggravated by the injudicious
manner in
which it is dealt with by the Authorities. 12. I will
for Your
Encloome We
Lordship's information the Police retrive for Enters &
the month ended on the 14th instant, of the number of illegal and dangerous
viz: 46, and Timite
characters arrested.
attention to the fact that all those 16
were captured through information supplied by the
agency of Mr baldwell acting for the Licensees.
63. I next transmit the return of charges
Exclame note of Larceny against Sewanto, during the
Quanter of the
of the curent
year, a perical
moreover included the time of greatest temptation to that class during the
peculiar festivities and obligations of the
year in February. I may here
infarm Mom Lordship, that the evil which ariginally I and others moet to
the temptation,
apprehended
hold out to Servants by opening legal
places of gaming. The result however contradicts all expectation, and proves under what contral the Licensees are
Rept by the present system. Stormerly the cases of Larceny by Servants averaged upwards of 80 per Quarter, where as fince
the motitution of duly supervised licensed Houses they have gradually diminished from 80 to 40.30.20.17 and
fallen to 16. the lowest number
have yet reached.
lott. I next enclose the return received Enclosure of from the Licensees of the number Sirvants and others turned away from- the licensed Houses in the Course of the month, one of the Regulations which Accounts for the above most remartable reduction in cases of Laviny by Servants
said in that theturn
186 persons to have been sent away,
but of Course return which I cannot check.
amangst, servants
that is a The diminution of Crime an however lends a probability to the
of the return. I may here absence that
Mor baldwell's
• report of illegal- gomblers and suspicious characters,
gramed accompanies the last, return claims fewer arreats through his agincy than. admitted by the Police in the retum Compiled from their charge sheet. This ·
satisfactory
evincing no tendency to exaggeration.
65. Finally I will only trouble Your Landship with
one more
document
the subject, namely, the last weektly reports of the Inspectors charged with the duty of visiting all the Licensed Houses at uncertain periods and reporting each week exactly what they notice. I consider their reports highly satisfertany
of late, and the more so that the Police
Licensees
mutually fitted
another, instead of being
guilty and
joined as formerly in a
conupt league to deceive the Authorities.
Hence my paxise from the Inspectors,
changed monthly,
probably well deserved!
Having by the above returns
endeavored to enable Your Lordship to
Judge as well as
how the system
working wreed to contrect the present
reqularity,
decrease
of crime, and relief
from the canker of Tolice Corruption with the wils of the past, I think Your Lordship must be in a better position to decide whether any bear of misapprehended
Vide Parliamentary
justify the deliberate
abandonment of great and certain
public benefits,
of old and
and the wilful, reintroducing acknowledged mischiefs without the least reasonable hope of thereby abating the evil of gambling. by. I do not say much as to the Revenue arising from the existing system. Personally I think the best thing of all would be to have the system without the Revenue, but se
hav that can be done
ties and they agree with Mr Anstey (not of 1869) but of 18869
Blue Book!
and see nothing repugnant in it to
English Law, though I see much that
is very repugnant to
feelings.
same time if it be right to select
the least of two wils, and
if that be lone by establishing the present system; I think there is something equally repugnant to one's English nations in
the odium of accepting
seething to dodge
sufch as Revenue by devating it (on principle) reph-an to this purpose, and not to that. expending just a small proportion of it with confidence and then becoming embarraped as to what should be done with the residue. I foresee the end of such policy would probably be the abandonment of duty
getting rid
of the whole question by re-adopting farmer corruption and old evils, sooner than be perpetually harraped with insinuations, and worried by complicated
details of impracticable 18. I have
accounts.
accauntd
now endeavored to
seriatim through the charges of I Mormorialist's affecting myself.
have affecting myself. Thas also as I think, weighed and appraised at just vaise their personal argument"
as to Mo baldwill. I have contrasted
the Legislation of the present Government with the vaunted "tea"
"Rap" and "Taon" of MC" Anstey's remarthable and
Ordinance of 1857, and I think I have thoroughly disposed of Mr Mumurs and the Memorialists appeal to Chinese purity and their efficient suppretion of gambling by bhinese Laus. I have also placed before Your Lordship returno the inner working of
worthing of the present
stewing Prevving the inner
I am nevertheless quite prepared
to abolish it, though
elevated after
much labor, as I have said, from the region of experiment to that of succesful Legislation. Jonly ask that I may
receive precise orders, and that it be understood. I am
Camping out a policy
of which H. Mis Government assumes the entire responsibility.
169. Finally I title the opportunity of expressing my regret that I have not
ut had wosefs to the really effective arguments of Me", Anstey on the 9th February. when he is stated (not I hope by
Egotistical Reporter)" to have shown from
documentary and even
official proofs, the
y of every one of the material
entire inaccuracy of every
Vide Endo:
Enclosure Ne qu
statiments of my reply to the Memonitists
and the entire unsoundness of every one of
"its revelant objections to their case. As
noticed above are
argumento
of the class alluded to in that extract, I'venture to make
one more enclosure
in this Despatch, viz.
The reply in
question, as being still unrefuted, and- I hope still in some points worthy of
attention.
I have the honor to be,
My Lord,
Your Lordship's most obedient,
humble Servant,
Rudavel Graves Martonnell
Governar
trong tương
Governor
2014th April 1869.
In Richard Growes Much Sommelt, C. 13
The Night Honorable, Earl Granville R. G
yumbling Licenses.
"Statements of Committee.
of Social Science as to examined.
fot In Memorial to Earl Gramille- que at interview with Secretary of State on 9th February 1869.
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Almost all the papers on
Subject are at the printers.
So I have.
An Istatual in a minute
with another dufalit
Saturday, this connet be hoperly dealt with the the fafers
come back from the Renters.
In R. Mardownch makes
avery clever defence yn himself this Adriens ofthin posuding
bin the matter ofhi Gemtlining
It has river tam sefford
han that here for a moment that thi
hippesten.
present motion
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organized with
a view to raising
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no dowl. Sik
occasion lard himself
fen & soul a suspicion
heating with the frouds
that question se
1st by Lund francille, fostive
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There is a large portion.
the peren bi hew
ansuing out
statement made
Mr Chiruchen Austing at an antoinew with Lone fren
that Gambling meghich have boun put a stop to to by enforcing
topt coltulive & Medical responsibility
of th Rea & the Haf & 4 Pasa. In R. Macdonnell has
always this in bin ferre late no one else har reouttelep
submitted
nevertheles
schen tila
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my better than the existing
me for making the best of
abad bus.
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actionner with Lane premalle
you with see hat Mr.
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defalch calls for ame
it is doubt was authen with
a wis & fullination. M. Peraff for the defilmati for the puchen
& adding 2. di hafers.
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The Daily Press
HONGKONG, March 27th, 1869.
TRE SOCIAL SCIENCE ASSOCIATION AND THE GAMBLING QUESTION. Que following report ofthe proceedings of the deputation is taken from the London and China Express.--
On Tuesday, the 9th February, to which day the reception of the deputation had been postponed by the Secretary of State, the fol lowing gentlemen, introduced by Mr. Chisholm Anstey, were received by Earl Granville, K.G.. at the Colonia Office:--Dr. Aldis, Mr. Edgar, Mr. Frederick Hill, Mr. Crustnarao Pandoo- rung, and Mr. Pears. Mr. Murrow, late of Hongkong, wa3 also present, and Colonel Sykes, M.P., and the Hon. Arthur Kinnaird, M.P., two vice-presidents of the Association, entered the room after the proceedings bad commenced.
After thanking his Lordship for the reply .to their second Memorial, Mr. C. Anstey stated the case against the two Hongkong Go- ,vernment farms. of opium smoking-honses, and gambling houses, to which the two memorial of the Association (that of last year addressed to the Duke of Buckingham and Chandos, aud that of last month, both printed in this journal) referred. He commented at large upon the points raised by the now no longer apocryphal "despatch" of October 20th last, to the address. of the secretary of this Association, and showed from documentary and even official proof the entire inaccuracy of every one of its material .statements, and the entire unsoundness of every one of its relevant objections to their case, Upon the whole. he submitted that the follow- ing points were fully established :-Thatthe pro- ject was originally one for raising local revenue in relief of the old Parliamentary grunt; that it had been repeatedly scouted by former Se gretaries of State; that the laws of Chiu against gambling (which, under actual briti narces were quite capable of being applied in Hongkong) had never been applied there, al. thongh they were quite sufficient for its repres- sion, and bad so been found in China (of which Mr. Anstey mentioned many instances); that the only way to enforce any laws against gam bling bousea was by enforcing the Chinese laws of collective and mutual responsibility, by means of the tithing Kea or Káp), and the hundred (Páou institutions, which had boên expressly recognised by the Hongkong Le gislatore in Ordinances, passed in 1844 1857, but never put into execution; that the ouly localordinance against gambling-houses ind been found to be so ill-pentel as to be inopera. tive; that the Kongkong Government had never proposed to amend that ordinance; that it had never brought into play the criminal laws of Eagland against gambling, although all those laws were in full validity within Hongkong; that the only reason which could be suggested for those omissions on the part of that Government i was the notorious fact that for many years car: tain persons were carrying on the endeavours already alluded to for obtaining Imperial mic tion here to the legalisation of gambling, in order to convert it into a profitable Government farm (in which intriques the go-between was always Mr. Caldwell); that it was untrue to state that the Hongkong Government had exhausted penal incans of repression, which was the main palliation now attempted for their having re- cently legalised under pretence of regulating it; aud, lastly, that whilst some vicious practices might be said to be susceptible of regulation, gambling was the one vice of which that could not be said, nor was it even proended. in the present instance, to regalute it attr not even so far as to define the amount to be lost at one sitting. He referred aled ta' the resolution of the Hongkong Chamber of Co- merce of 1865, and the speeches of its chairman. Mr. Ryrie (member of the Legislative Council). and others of that Chaniber, to the dress! the local clergy, and to other authorities, a condemilatory of the late Ordinance, and certif
fying the nearly riftagimbas opinilīns of all rea pectable Chinese to the same effehn o
Earl Granville, bere euterposing, said: You are preaching, I may almost say, to a convert. I go quite with your able statement of the mis- chief, and I quite sympathise with everything that you have sail agains the fitness of raising a revenne in this way. I have not yet comma- uicated my decision to Hongkong. But I may say this much, that whatever that may hereafter he, I cannot/prove of these proceeds of the gambling-house farm being treated as colonial revenue, or applicable to colonial purposes. Whether it may be employed specifically in defraying the charges of measures to suppress gambling, or in some analogous way to that, if we are to receive it at all, I shall have to consider if 1 determine to allow that experiment to continue. But what I should like to know from the deputation is, whether there is any practical way to the direct suppression in Hong- koug, by penal means, of the practice. Our authorities there say that they have ex- bausted all those means and failed. You bave offered reasons for contradicting that state- ment, and even for asserting that down to the introduction of this gambling farmu no real ut- tempt to suppress gambling had been made. This creates a difficulty in the way of my ro- versing at once what has been done. It is true that there is now the advantage of a new Government being called upon to consider the matter, but then without a few months' con- sideration one ought not to reverse what may have beau done already. I should like to look at the practical question of the way to put down gambling, if there be any way to do it.
Mr. Anstey briefly restated what be bad said. and referred again to the authorities on that point. He also submtited that the very next preceding Ordinance of 1866 to the Gauub ling Farm Ordinance was one relating to Registration. By that Ordinance the long neglected Chinese Law of Responsibility was, at length, ordered to be carried into effect (although very imperfectly no doubt). One year's trial of that Ordinance had enabled the present Registrar-Geuern to report that this portion of it had proved to be very popular and Efficacions, and in particular, that it had bees found of waterial" efficacy in suppressing
Public Gumbling Houses,"
Colonel Sykes, M.P.: And now all these licensed ones will escape from that.
Mr. Anatey assented. He proceeded to read from the report, and also from the Governor's despatch of October 29th, 1867, approving of that portion of it.
Barl Granville having asked for some of those references, Mr. Anstey offered to place all⠀⠀ This owu notes in his lordship's hands, and it
was accordingly done.
Colonial Sykes, after referring to his long personal experience of the coasts of China, a country with which he was even now in "fort- nightly correspondence," bare testimony of the accuracy of ano important statement made by Mr. C. Auster, as the result of his official ex- perience at Hongkong, viz. that opium shop- keeping. gimbling and piracy went hand-in- band, and belonged everywhere to one esta. blishment. He was satisfied that to regulate Chines gambling bouses is impossible. only way is to be firm and put them down with the strong arm of the btw.
Mr. Murrow confirmed another statement- viz, as to the persistence and sweess of the Chinese Government in putting Chinese laws against gambling-hanses into effect. It was true) But in the troubled times of 1865, at Canton, the Viceroy there for that one year only dispensed with those laws in favour of a particular locality; that is to say, the lanes in the immediate pur lions of the two worst gaols of that city; but there was a characteristic irony in the exemp tion; it bad expired, and gambling at Canton
was crushed.
The Hon. A. Kinnaird. M.P.: We must not intrude any longer upon your lordship's valua- ble time, but I cannot help saying that the people here at home feel keenly upon this. sul et.
Earl Grauville courteously thanked the de putation, and they took their leave.
APPENDIX A.
In 1919/69
THE M be found printed
Serfalihi wa 34f Inne 54 face
LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL, 23RD MAY, 1868.
The Council met, according to appointment, on Saturday, at 4 P.M.
GAMING LICENSES.
The Honorable W. KESWICK, wished to know if he should be in order in asking His Excellency whether anything could be stated in reference to the money received under the Gambling Ordinance.
The GOVERNOR said that properly speaking notice ought to have been given of such a question. It was rather a difficult one to answer completely. There was much explanation which might be given, and a great deal which it was impor- tant that the Council should know, but if he were even to limit himself merely to correcting the misstatements which had been made in connexion with the subject, all the time which they had at their disposal for legislation would be taken up. He was quite ready, however, (but only with the permission of the Council, as it would be a departure from the usual routine) to answer Mr. Keswick's question. 3 His answer was, that there had been no change whatever in the aspect of this matter. Nothing had been yet settled as to the disposal of money received as License fees, since the subject was first mooted. The original problem still remained unsolved, namely, what to do with the money if it were taken, or how to achieve the results required if it were not taken. He would, however, like the Council to know how consistent the policy of the Executive had been in this matter from the first. [His Excellency here sent for a volume of despatches, and read some extracts from 1866 to 1868.] So long back as the 9th of May, 1867, he had said that it' the Home Government could devise any simple method of relieving the police from the harrassing and demoralising duty of suppressing secret Gambling Houses he would be glad to try it. Nevertheless, he was far from saying that he had exhausted all the means possible to imagine, because he had tried all which he could himself think of. He went on, he said, in that despatch to state that the Executive Council agreed with him in thinking there was no other effectual plan to suppress secret Gambling with its peculiar ill consequences, but that of enlisting the aid of Chinese on behalf of the objects which the Government had in view by giving them a pecuniary interest to support the views of the Government.
Again, on the 29th May last year, he had argued that it was impossible to expect the hearty co-operation of the Chinese, unless the amount charged for the Licenses was sufficiently high to leave a margin of profit only sufficient to make the Licensees careful to avoid penalties imposed for faults, either of omission or commission. Therefore any project for the issue of Licenses which excluded receipt of fees altogether would ex necessitate rei fail to accomplish the most legitimate purpose of such Licenses.
5 From that day to this (and there were some earlier despatches on the subject which he had not at hand just then), the opinions of the Government on this subject had been precisely the same. He could not in fact give Mr. Keswick a clearer insight into the views of the Government than was contained in a speech of his addressed to the Council in August last, in which he had said, "whatever addition comes to your means from that source, can only be viewed as the acci- dental, and unsought result of a policy to which the Government is reluctantly driven in pursuit of an object of great public importance, and one which is entirely distinct from the acquisition of Revenue."
He had gone on to allude in the same speech to the imputations of interested motives on the part of the Government which were so easily made, but which were without logical force till it could be shewn that the Government would have been justified by some abstract principle of a lazy and easily satisfied morality in folding their arms, and doing nothing to repress acknowledged evils, and nurseries of crime, or on the other hand till it could be shown that, so long as he was bound to consider himself free to use the funds accumulated from License Fees, he was not also bound to consider how that money, like any other money in the Treasury, could be best applied, whether in payment of the Colony's liabilities, relief from taxation, or otherwise. Once the money was in the Treasury he had no choice but to deal with it, in some way, as he could not possibly ignore its existence. The necessity, however, for so dealing with it gave neither fairness nor force to the argument occasionally put forward that because he had alluded, as bound to do, to the palpable duty of appropriating in some way public money accidentally accrning from a Police measure, he had therefore framed the Police measure for the purpose of creating a Revenue. Nevertheless that assertion had been frequently, and probably would be agaiu repeated, though all the correspondence from the earliest date and the whole tenor of his policy gave it the most complete contra- diction, for to no one would it be such a relief as to himself personally to find that either through the action of Her Majesty's Government or some other cause the experiment had become suddenly freed from the invidious and embarrassing questions attached to receipt of money.
7 If anyone could invent some preferable and equally effective means of breaking the confederations of bad characters in illegal Gaming Haunts, and getting rid
of the incubus of increased Revenue with which the Government was now burdened, he would regard him as a great public benefactor.
The Council however was aware that no such plan worth five minutes attention had hitherto been suggested.
They must, moreover, remember that they were not dealing with
any ima- ginary evil.
He had long since furnished to the Secretary of State proof that, in 1865, although 45 illegal Gambling Haunts had been broken up from time to time in that year, from the 1st January to 1st September, nevertheless 35 were known to be in existence at the latter date, a number thought to be even somewhat in excess of that at the commencement of the year, thus proving that all the efforts of the Police never sensibly affected the uumber of secret Gaming Haunts formerly in existence, places which as the Council was aware were the rendezvous of the worst characters, and where most burglaries and serious crimes were planned. On the other hand he would now venture to say that the experiment which had been recently tried had heen successful in effecting at least the almost total suppression of illegal Public Gaming Places.
His attention, from the first, had been directed,--as his carliest despatches would prove,—to the danger lest the Licensed Houses should be frequented by clerks and servants and thus lead to losses, tempting people of that class when they lost by gaming to commit robberies. He had instituted an inquiry, however, as to the number of larcenies by all classes of servants which had taken place during several periods, formerly and recently, and he now laid on the Council table, a return which he had transmitted to Her Majesty's Government of the average It umber of cases during thirteen weeks of each year, from 1865 to 1868. thence appeared that for each thirteen weeks in 1865, there had been 76 convictions and 10 cases discharged; in 1866, 58 convictions and 17 casos discharged; in 1867, in thirteen weeks previous to September, when the Gambling Houses were first opened, 66 convicted and 21 discharged, and in thirteen weeks subsequent to the inauguration of the present system, 67 convicted and 15 discharged. Hence it appeared that the average number of larcenies by servants had not increased on
opening the Licensed Houses. That was a satisfactory commencement, but the Council would perhaps scarcely be prepared for the remarkable decrease in that class of offences which had since resulted.
10 In connexion with that important subject he would mention that immediately after the present Houses were opened, he had drawn attention to the necessity of preventing servants from going to these places. The Licensees exerted themselves to prevent this, and he allowed them to recoup themselves for the losses which they thus incurred by a proportionate reduction of the Fees. The Fees, indeed, had been reduced subsequently, until at the last payment they were at the rate of $14,500 a month, instead of $21,000, as at first. Well, the result of the efforts which the Licensees made was that the figures, taking an average of thirteen weeks for this year, had come down to 40 cases, that is to less than half what they had been for the same period during the previous three years. Including cases reported where the offenders had not been caught, an item not in the old returns, the number was only 46 for the whole of last Quarter.
//There could be no record of course of the actual number of gamblers as compared with those of former times, but it was only natural to infer that if there was a great diminution in the crime of larceny by servants, it was very unlikely that theft, occasioned by loss of money through gaming could have increased. It had to be remembered moreover, in reference to the figures just quoted, that the Police returus were much more accurately kept now than formerly, and that we might be sure all cases were recorded, though this could by no means be said in reference to former years. Consequently the argument in favor of the probable recent diminution of larceny by Servants was all the stronger. Very few of the better, or of any class of servants or Chinese clerks, could now obtain admittance to the Gambling Houses. To effect this the Licensees no doubt incurred consider- able loss, but the Government was happily able to make it worth their while, iu consequence of the present arrangement by which the amount of the monthly Fees payable by the Licensees rose or fell in proportion to their exertions to carry out the objects of Government. The Licensees had now engaged a superior class of men to identify the players, and the difficulty would probably be soon surmounted of fixing the License Fees at such a figure that, while it would leave the Licensees profits worth having and working for, it would not render them indifferent to any additional fines which might be imposed by the Government.
One difficulty, however, could not be got over, but this of course had existed before the present system was introduced, just as much as now. There were always private Clubs to which the better class of compradores, and those really trusted by Foreign Firms with large sums of money could go for the purpose of gambling. At those Clubs large sums were lost, far larger than
which were
over staked in the Licensed Houses, and it was obvious that the risk incurred by Mercantile Firms through gambling losses by their employés, would be but little diminished, if every Licensed House was suppressed so long as the Compradore Clubs were left open and the high play which took place there continued.
Some people might ask how it was, that any illegal Gambling Houses should be occasionally opened now. That had puzzled himself at first, but the explanation appeared to be that while at the Licensed Houses the bank charged a commission of 7 per cent, the illegal houses held out the inducement of only charging 3 per cent. Now as to that point he would certainly not encourage Gambling by making the Licensees reduce their commission. Moreover, no articles of jewelry could be staked at any of the legal houses, except the common Chinese gold rings, which, indeed, were not taken in pledge, but simply purchased for their weight as metal--the vendor staking money. At the other houses stolen jewelry, and every sort of property, could be pawned and sinked against. Moreover, there was a
large class of persons, who were known to the Police as old or notorious offenders, and who could not venture to frequent the Licensed Houses, whilst the Licensed Houses were of course obliged to be slant during Sundays or 52 days in the Year, a circumstance which worked in favor of illegal or any other Gambling Haunts that might remain open, whilst the Licensed Houses were shut, amongst a people so prone to indulge in gambling as the Chinese visitors to and residents in this City,
14 Reverting now more immediately to Mr. Keswick's question, he must repeat that none of the money received under the License system could as yet be considered available for public purposes. He would not deny that his reason told him that inasmuch as this money had really accrued accidentally, in consequence of a measure which was introduced solely for Police purposes, it was unwise not to use it. Still he could not help a certain sympathy with those who cried out," however wildly, against the acquisition of a revenue from such a source as this, and the Council must not expect him to exert himself personally to obtain the use of that money for the Colony. Nevertheless, that point was one of detail, and not of principle. If it were the only difficulty, the money could be thrown into the sea, and the question be at once disembarrassed of that casual encumbrance.
The amount charged, which had already fallen to $14,500 a month, might perhaps eventually be reduced to $12,000, if that sum proved sufficient to secure the zealous co-operation on the part of the License Holders so that whilst securing fair profits, they might be enabled at the same time to render their establishments more efficient for Police purposes. As yet, however, the experience of Government had not been sufficient to justify more than conjecture on that point.
16 On the whole he thought that every dispassionate inquirer must admit that the system had diminished crime. He declined, however, to argue with those who virtually maintained, that a Government was bound rather to ignore the existence of a vice and tacitly permit its continuance to the injury of the Public interests, rather than take any measure to suppress it, which, admitting the truth of its unavoidable existence, endeavoured to control what could not be suppressed. There certainly was no room at all for doubt that recent measures had increased the efficiency of the Police, by removing the chief element of corruption, viz., the receipt of bribes for their protection of the illegal Houses which kept them on pay. That, moreover, was the opinion of the Chinese themselves. When he had lately received a number of respectable Chinese residents to confer with him as to the Kidnapping Ordinance, the subject of gambling bad then arisen, and they all adnitted the general diminution of crime and the great improvement in the Police.
'Nevertheless several had declared themselves desirous that the recent It was some time before he could legislation should be done away with. reconcile this wish with the admissions which they had previously made, till he found that they shrank from the responsibility thrown on them by the Registration Ordinance, which compelled them to take care that the Houses of which they were owners should not be converted into Gambling Houses or houses of ill-fame. He, therefore, specially warned them that they must never under any circumstances expect to see that arrangement modified, and he would now waru the Council that when they heard of any feeling on the part of the respectable Chinese against the Licensed Gambling Houses they might rely on it that such feeling, if it existed at all, was merely a selfish dislike in 9 cases out of 10 to the responsibility imposed on Landlords by the new Registry Ordinance for the conduct of their tenants in certain matters, whilst so far as he could judge from his interviews with the better class of Chinese, the latter mixed up the two
questions, and supposed that if the Licensed Houses were closed, their respon- sibility under the Registration Ordinance would cease. In point of fact they sought thereby what was opposed to their real interests, because the establish- ment of places where play could be legally followed diminished the responsibility to which they objected, as it left less temptation to their tenants to start illegal Gambling in their houses, and he had tried to explain this to them. These discursive remarks, however, the Governor said, had better come to an end, though the statement which he had been led by Mr. Keswick's question into making would probably not be without interest to the community.
The CF JUSTICE asked what was the total amount of the suns which had accumulated under the Gambling Licenses.
The GOVERNOR said about $155,000.
Mr. RYBIE asked if the Governor thought it likely that the keepers of the houses really would exclude respectable persons.
The GOVERNOR thought that all Foreigners of respectability, would be able to gain admittance, but that the Majority of the upper class of Chinese servants would certainly find it necessary to go to their own clubs.
Mr. RYRIE said these measures were not found necessary in other large Eastern cities.
JUDGE BALL said that there could be no doubt about the fact that crime hal diminished in this Colony.
The CHIEF JUSTICE corroborated this.
Mr. RYRIE asked whether it could not be attributed to something else than the Gambling Houses.
The CHIEF JUSTICE said that the depression of trade would naturally have the effect of increasing crime. What did Mr. Ryrie allude to?
Mr. RYRIE would not pretend to find an explanation himself.
The GOVERNOR said that if anyone wished to bring forward a motion to test the opinion of the Council on this subject, he had no objection, provided it could be done consistently with the Rules which governed their proceedings as a Legis- lative body. The Council he was sure was not a body which would form an opinion hastily or without taking trouble and ascertaining facts.
Mr. RYRIE thought there must be some other means of stopping crime; other Governments did not find it necessary to resort to this expedient.
The GOVERNOR said that the circumstances of Hongkong were altogether peculiar and they must adapt themselves to circumstances, if they could not bend the latter to their will. Most unquestionably such a policy would in Europe be wholly unjustifiable, and in England would be at once criminal and disreputable.
In 68: 2849
MY DEAR DEANE,
APPENDIX B.
HARBOR MASTER'S OFFICE, 24th June, 1868.
In answer to your inquiry
must tell you that I can perfectly recollect the Gambling Houses all shutting up for the space of Ten Days or a fortnight about this time of the Year 1866.
The fact was reported to me and I made special inquiries on the subject as it seemed rather a strange circumstance for them to shut up when there was no ap- pearance of extra vigilance on the part of the Authorities. I was informed that there was a rumor flying about among the Chinese that His Excellency the Governor was abont to License Gambling on condition that, then and there all Unlicensed Houses were shut up; and that tenders would be shortly invited for up their Houses the monopoly. The owners of Unlicensed Gambling Houses shut instantly, and, while some busied themselves about corresponding with their Canton and Macao friends, and endeavouring to raise money for the purchase of the monopoly, others, the owners of the lowest Houses, were in a state of alarm at the prospect of the speedy stoppage of their nefarious trade, knowing that however easy it might be to evade the vigilance of foreigners, they could not escape the spies of the native Gambling farmer. During this time every House as far as I could ascertain was shut up; the panic, for I can call it nothing else, lasted for about Ten days, when the Chinese, sceing that no tender was invited, fell back on their old system. During this time Two or Three Chinamen came to me with inquiries in regard to the intentions of Government as to Gambling.
W. M. DEANE, Esq.,
Acting Superintendent of Police.
Yours truly,
(Sigued,)
M. S. TONNOCHY.
lapy) 6.8.0 N 99H
There is no Ordinance in fence
this belony by which the Chinese System of Tithings or Map is
recognized Mr Anstey probably refers to an Ordinance for the Registration and thegulation of the Chinese People (NA
of 1857) which he himself fuchared when Attorney General of this beeke which an attempt
and by which
establish a division of Chinese houses
into tithings on Kap
Kap of ten houses each,
wherein every occupier of u hause shall
nover to Her Majestip for the
the good
conduct of the scupiers of the other nine."
(See Sections 13.16.).
This Ordinance however
repeated
in the following year by No 8 of 1858,
the working of the
having been
considered impracticable.
Apart from the repugnance which-~ most people entertain to
any system of Legislation under which the innocent
be made to suffer for the offence of the guilty, the institution of the Kap would most probably open the door to those abuses which have been so often exposed by writers, on the Manners and- Customs of the Chinese. For instance a person might be produced by the tap as the real offender but the difficulty would be insuperable of detecting whether he were the real offender or some one whom they had combined to accuse or who, for a consideration was willing t
be made the scape-goat.
Indeed it has been found necefany
to repeal all Ordinances in which sart of Tower beyond that of a benstabile
is entrusted to bhinese. For instance Ordinance N° 13 of 15/44 intractured by Sir f. Dario for the appointment of Chinese Peace Officers (Prouchong and Prantea) had to be repealed and the excellent Ordinance N°3 of 1853 introduced by Sir George Benham far the amicable settlement of bivil puito among Chinese, although drafted with great
precaution so as to prevent abuses, met with the same
furter In fact I believe the Chinese themselves prefer availing themselves of the Summary Jurisdiction
baunt for they
constantly conduct
their cases in person, no longer babering
under the delusion which
prevail that half the inuyers fees go into the fudgis pecket, an idea which is quite in acentance with bhinese usages,
careful to
This Government. extend to Gambling the Provisions of Sections 17 and 18 of the recent Registration Ordinance N7 of 1866, whereby every Chinese Landlord whose tenant commits retain specified offences (among which are included there against the Gambling Ordinance No 14 of 18HH) is answerable
in case the offender has
for the fine,
Minceded though he
the amount from the latter when found.
The Gambling Ordinance (N= T1 of 1844) however of itself quite sufficient to
of Gambling which can be detected; but the practical difficulties
of detection which this
Government had to contend with such as undoubtedly to call for some new scheme of Legislation on that " subject, and in that subject only; for the laws of Hongkong on the whole are very good. Among the early Ordinances be found here and there such startling Chevisions us that of Section 25 ofe of N° 10 of 1844 (still in force) whereby our bounts may inflict Chinese Finish. sment, but this is the only germ" of bhinese Law which I know of in
there may
degislation, and it is a
I trest will not flourish until the
Chinese System of Kap, abandoned by
is 10 years ago, supersedes
now well established in the
Colony and most ally and succesfully
& warted by the Registration Department
Signed) Julian Pouncepte, Attomey General
Hong Kong 21th April, 1569.
True kopy
Gardina Martin
lexlonial Secretary
Sz Shing Tak Hang Tai Kat String Sum Wo Fung Cheung Chrung
"The above Chinese Characters are the names
Six establishments in the Kwang Jung Province for the carrying on of a species of gambling Known As
"Mai-Sing". (1) Kat Cheung- (2) Tai-Cheung (5) Hang Fung (4) Tak-Wo (5) Shing-Sun (6) Sz-Shing.
etween the 18th March and 14th April 1809.
Illigal gamblers and thangerous Dangerous Characters
• In 6879/69
Number of Number
hate Illigal langerous
Freision
Remants.
or Sentence
gamblers Characters
Ranch st
Sent to Gaol.
Apprehendiely so. Patimill's detectives
demon riformation of_the_
750 or 3 sunth
200 fines & 50 and 3 months H.A., one fini
rest twee months. H. A.
// the orchard to find herty, rest discharged.
Sent to Gaol
the sent to Gaul. the other discharges
de sent to Im Kolas. I centenced to 2
Imonths. the
nest the
manth H.A.
Seat to Gaol.
Arm by Mr. Calssulls detecting
Now in information fuck
domly. Catimuth's detrations
Aberagh Deputy Superitinant of Police.
Houghing 14th April 1019.
Retum Therming
Capacity & moreted
the number
Larceny by Sewants during
first grantor 1869.
Kischarged
Nonse Cortic Looks Sewants than Corbio
Grand Total
latest from Charge Shute.
Police Departme
3th April 1869
In 6879/6
Captain Superintendent
In 68 19/69
Copy: Return of persons werested by the Siconsues of the
Caming houses
15th April 1867.
during the mouth ending
Date of Norg On what charge
Aurrekt hrono
March 16
How disposed of.
1 Old offeculer - Grande 3 months hard labor.
Sent to M:: Bouglas.
18 Sublic Gambling finest.
$50 or 6 mon to hard labe
$250 $ month's hard later & months houdt laber - the others
2 months hard laber.
Wbel Offender. Brucented Sent to Mr. Banglas
10 Suspicious character 1 to find security, the others
April 11 Ald
discharged.
offender - Brandis Sent to Mbt Renglas
P. (1 Brental) 1 Sant to GM Kruglus, 3 to 3
snowths hard laber and lo
fond Security, the other 3 to
1 month's hars laba
loffender. Branded Tent to 16 - Bouglas
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Summary...
15 Old Offenders
Euspicious characting and
at gamblees.
(Signed) R. R. Caldwell.
Retuvin of Whinese Servants in the employ
of Designers who were
recognized and infused admittance into the undermentioned Bambling Houses
during the Wock ended 20th March 1869.
Appellation
Locality
Keon the 100 Queen's Read Nanchai
Chaw Née 225.
Yek Nee 253
Wai Née 128.
Central.
West Fount
Clipe Mer 14,8 Holly wood Road, Taiping share.
Hoang Nee 111 Wing Tai Kee 101 Thing
ر عید اور متن
Wing the 3 Endicott's lane.
Police Lokong
also a Lakong
(Signeel) 49. Leon Avolcon
N°24 and another, supposed
· found several times in the
warned not
Seh Nee and Chow Mec, although to enter the Houses without permission.
Signed, V.L.A.
Return of Chinese Cervants in the employ of tinigners
recognized and refused admittance into the undermentioned Cambling Houses, during weck ended 27th Mearch 1869.
Appellation.
Keen Nec. Tip Nee Wai Mee
Locality
100 Queen's Reart Quat: Wanchai
حرام میں کہ کر
Hollywood Read, Taipingsha.
128 Queens Road, Hest-
Meng Mee
Chew Nee 225
Wing On Lane
Wing Nee
Keang Mie !!!
101 Jung
ON ELIT.
3 Condicotty Lane
(Signed). Leon Avstions
Return of Chinese Cervant's in the employ of Foreigners who were recognized and refused admittance into the undermentioned Gambling April, 1869.
Houses during the work, onded the 13t
Appellation Houses
Locality
Keen Mör 100 Queen's Road East, Sanchal
99 Hollywood Road, Faiscingshan
Wai Nee 128 Queen's Rond Wrest
Taipingatian
Abeng Mee 15
Chow Nec 225
Gek Nee 253
Hang Kee 111 Fai Nee 101 Jung
Wing Hee 3 Endicott's lane
Total 30.
Signed) No). Leon Avetoom:
steturn of Chinese Servants in the employ
of Foreigners whe
recognized and trefused admittance into the sender mentioned. Cambling.
Houses during the Week endted 10th April, 1869
Appellation
Locality
Meen Hec 100 Queen's Goad last, Wanchai.
99 Hollywood Road, Taipingshan
Mai Mee 128 Queen's Road, West Point
Ming Mee
Chow Nee 225
Chong Nee
1 Gilman Street.
Hiling Nee !!! Hang 101 Jung
Wing Mex
مجھ کو امجد
& Endicott's lane
Total 26.
Signed) I Lean Arstom
hummary...
sorvant's refused admittance for the Hock
ending the 20% search — 28.
12 April $30. 3 B10th
True Copies .
leoconical Sheratory.
کے سیکھے
Total 106.
AS. C. A 1005
Sheng Hong,
15th April, 1869.
Mot: X. R. Caldwell
Frambling Houses.
Suspicious koharacters arrested. by Licensees of and servants refused admittance into -
Returns of - for month ending 15th April, 1869-
In 687299
Police Department, 16th April 1869.
I have the honour
to enclose, for the information of This Excellency, the Governor, the reports in the Gambling
I also enclose the live
time expired tickets of suspectors
Grines and Grey.
---I leave the humer to be,
Your Most Obedient Servant,
Cafknice Amperialunden
The Honourable
1. G. Austice
Colonial Secretary.
Enclosure No7 in Chernor Sir Richard Graves MacDonnelli
Raspatih A 393 of 244 April, 1860
293 15th April 1869.
REPORT ON LICENSED GAMING HOUSES FOR THE WEEK ENDING /
NAME OF HOUSES
LOCALITIES.
Perales. Females.
Females.
Wing Kee, Endicott Lane,.. Giften 20
Tai Kee, Tung Man Lane,...astro
Ring Kee, Wing On Lane,.. Then
Chong Kee, Gilman Street, ·4-30
hn Kec, Queen's Road C'trals
on Kee, Hillier Street,..
Ting Kec, Queen's Rd. West,
Wing Kee,
p Kec, Hollywood Road,.
Ta Kee, Queen's Rd. East, ..
6 30tion.
3wJan 30
Jain 141
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Females.
Females.
REMARKS.
beg to state that I visited the Licensed
and found
Gaming Houses at the hour above give everything Conect and regulae. I did not not in any or compradores employa by Cumspans. Tha Inspector authorized to enter, prumute to a
Meer of the
a quest extent servants or other respectable Chinese going to the horise for the purpose of playing
Captain Superintendent of Police,
HONGKONG.
Gour most obedant durant
(~Aiqued) ____ I . H. Grimes .
Inspector of Police
REPORT ON Licensed GAMING HOUSES FOR THE WEEK ENDING.
Tai Kee, Tung Man Lane,..
Wing Kee, Endicott Lane,
NAME OF Houses
LOCALITIES.
Females.
Fernles.
Females.
Refim 20
Females.
Hing Kee, Wing On Lane,..4 3
Chong Kee, Gilman Street, -
| (hn Kee, Queen's Road C'tral
Yek Kee,
Jan Kee, Hillier Street,.... 89
Wing Kee, Queen's Rd, West, 4451 4km 38
Zum 5 3/12 33 10
715|148|44|3 fm. 41 382
Wing Kee,
Wye Kee,
Have Alt/
Tip Kee, Hollywood Road,.. 8 fm 83 6 938
Ta Kee, Queen's Rd. East,..35 36
104m 21 12
REMARKS.
- report that - I have visited the above Gaming. houses at the times noted. I leave noticed prothing vansual -
leouse being quid and requelier :
1 regular ; there sour to be no Cursomas servants frequenting the lenses now. - I leave seen nove
although
I have watched well for there.
: during my
Out of the
numbers above gives there have been very few of the respectable
Clivince of Hong Kong. The
lead tontiliman of No. 5
night of the 13th - I saw the District in the Bing. Thee lower he titl
he was looking out for thinnes; he was not playing.
Captain Superintendent of Police,
HONGKONG.
(cant signed)
Thomas Grey
COLONIAL SECRETARY'S OFFICE,
HoxgKong, 20th October, 1868.
In 6879/44
1. The attention of His Excellency SIR RICHARD GRAVES MACDONNELL has been recently called to a Memorial addressed by the Standing Committee of the Social Science Association to His Grace the Secretary of State for the Colonies praying that an immediate stop should be put to the system adopted here of permitting Gambling in certain Houses licensed by Government and subject to Police surveillance.
2. In Paragraph 5 of that Memorial the following passage occurs: "Since the "Summer of 1866, when the first Ordinance was passed, the farm had been created "by the local Authorities, put up by them to sale, and granted to the highest "bidder."
3. That assertion is not merely incorrect, but is even totally opposed to all the details fully given in a series of despatches which must have been at the time before the Committce, because they allude to and quote from them. The Governor therefore is persuaded that the Committee will at once ensure to this contradiction as wide a publicity as to the original misstatement.
4. It is true that the mischief caused by circulating an incorrect version of actual facts, especially when so framed as to support the argument of those who use such a weapon, seldom admits of any adequate reparation. No acknowledgment of such wrongful proceeding, particularly, as must be the case here, when not extracted till months subsequently and perhaps after close of the discussion affected thereby, can undo the mischief which it may have caused. Nevertheless the right of the party misrepresented to require even that inadequate reparation is indisputable.
5. In the present case, it must be conceded that this Government has been most completely misrepresented on the very point as to which it was easiest and most unfair to excite popular prejudice. To speak of this Government as selling the Licenses in question to "the highest bidder," is to imply that it was animated by a sordid motive of greed.
6. Such a statement is a very extraordinary misrepresentation of facts recorded in documents to which the Committee refer and had access. All SIR RICHARD GRAVES MACDONNELL'S despatches in connection with the subject to the end of last April, were before the Committee, having been presented to the House of Lords last June.
7. It would be idle to repeat here the various details given in those despatches as to the anxiety of this Government to deal with a great public evil without reference to the question of Revenue. The Committee can refer to them, if they wish, but I am instructed to beg their special attention to Paragraph 6 in
G. W. Hastings, Esquire,
Secretary of the Social Science Association,
SIR RICHARD GRAVES MACDONNELL'S despatch (No. 439) of the 30th of last January, as follows:---
"Your Grace however is sufficiently aware that this Government has not "been swayed by any desire of gain. On the contrary, I have never written a "despatch in which I have not regretted that a policy justified by necessity "should be encumbered with any pecuniary gain, because the latter affords to "opponents of that policy an opportunity to impute to myself and my Council "motives the reverse of those by which we are animated. If mere addition of "Revenue Lad been our object, I should not have accepted $252,000 as the "Annual License Fee instead of upwards of $360,000 which was actually offered, nor would I have gradually reduced the original $260,000 to $204,000 at which it stands during the
month." present
8. The above plain statement completely disproves the assertion of the Com- mittee, that since 1866, the Licenses "had been put up to sale and granted to the highest bidder," and I am now further instructed to add, that not merely had $360,000 been declined, but that by consecutive reductions the License Fees had been lowered till a few weeks back they reached only $156,000.
9. Even that reduction was less than His Excellency had hoped to effect, for as more fully explained in his recent financial statement to the Legislative Council, an extract from which is appended hereto, he was prepared (Par. 19) to make any reduction necessary to compensate the Licensees for excluding all but Chinese from the Play Houses-a reforma now most effectually carried out.
10. Reasons alluded to in the accompanying Appendix (Page 7, Par. 19 and 20), and more fully explained in the Governor's communications to the Secretary of State, have produced for the moment the unexpected result of an increase of License Fees just as the frequenters of the Licensed Houses were diminished.
11. It is perhaps superfluous now to accumulate further evidence of the inac- curacy into which the Social Science Committee have fallen as to a matter of fact, when they represented this Government as selling the License Monopoly to "the highest bidder." The Governor however wishes to record at the same time his conviction of the excellent objects of the Committee and of the general body which they represent. He attributes to them nothing more than an inadvertent although indefensible mistake. It is, however, unfortunate that it occurred in reference to the very point on which it was most important that there should be no misrepresentation; and it cannot be doubted that this will be a source of regret to the Committee, especially when they learn that at the very last meeting of the Legislative Council (vide Appendix, Page 8) His Excellency distinctly refused to accept the suggestion of a leading unofficial Member of that body and use the License Fees for the purpose of diminishing the local taxation of the Colony,
12. The personal feelings and sympathies of His Excellency are entirely with the Committee, and had he never visited China, nor been compelled by his duty to this Community to deal on the spot with the unquestioned and real evils arising from the inordinate love of Gambling of the native population here, and the absolute necessity for permitting, under regulated and comparatively safe conditions, a vent for a vice, whose existence under worse conditions would have been the only result of Government inaction, it is very probable that, as a Member of the Social Science Association, he might have subscribed, and applauded himself for subscribing a remonstrance of the kind addressed by the Committee to the Secretary of State.
13. It is also quite possible under such circumstances that, like the Committee, he might have regarded the policy pursued at Heligoland, Baden, and here, as identical. Gambling, he might have reflected, is permitted at all those places,
a revenue results therefrom in each. Such a policy is indefensible at Baden and Heligoland, where unnecessarily and for the sake of money it encourages a vice. which might otherwise die out or at least decline. Therefore he might perhaps have argued it is equally indefensible at Hongkong. Nevertheless no one here would pretend that there is the remotest chance of the vice of Gambling being diminished by suppression of the Licensed Houses, as would be the case at Baden. It would simply become indefinitely more extended than now. If it were not legalised so completely as to require no Police interference, however little, there would inevitably be Police corruption and consequent insecurity to the Community. Unless therefore it be contended that similar consequences would follow the abolition of the Monopoly at Heligoland there is no parallel between the two cases.
14. Again, only natives, who are practically beyond the reach of Government in such a matter, are here allowed to enter the Licensed Houses, and unless it be shown that Europeans are similarly excluded at Heligoland and that Gaming is only permitted there to an overwhelming majority of Orientals, or strangers coming and going in numbers exceeding 600,000 every year, and that is only allowed because they cannot otherwise be efficiently reached by the Police, no parallel is established between that place and Hongkong.
15. Finally, to complete such parallel, it would be further necessary to show that the Authorities at Heligoland had been exerting themselves as here from the first to keep down any Revenue accruing from the Licenses beyond the amount necessary to work the system as a strictly Police measure, a motive which it is not pretended to adduce in favor of licensing Gaming in Europe.
16. It may therefore be as well to speak frankly, and declare at once that the only argument in the Memorial of the Committee which seems to His Excellency deserving notice, is their suggestion (Par. 9) that the Authorities here have not as yet so exhausted the direct means at their disposal for the suppression of Gambling as to justify a departure from the general principles of penal juris- prudence elsewhere. In illustration of this, the Committee state that the Chinese laws and the local Ordinances against Gambling had never been fairly put in execution, and especially that the Ordinance for improving the Chinese law of the Tithings, Hundreds and Frank pledges, which in China had always been found quite sufficient for the entire suppression of the practice, had never been put in force at all.
17. It is difficult to imagine where the Committee got their information as to the entire Suppression of Gambling in Chinese Cities by laws establishing Tithings and Hundreds, &c. Gambling has been now and then stopped in a particular place for a short time by high officials, who were guided sometimes by upright and sometimes by corrupt motives, such as that of raising the toll on an illegal luxury. This however has been done by extreme severity such as razing houses to the ground and torturing the landlords, measures to which it is true this Government has never yet resorted. It is however totally without foundation to assert that Gaming does not prevail most extensively and publicly in every city of the Empire, although nominally the law forbids it. This subject however has been sufficiently alluded to in the Governor's despatch of the 30th January last, (Par3. 3, 4 and 5) which the Committee had before them when advancing the above extraordinary assertion.
18. At this moment the Police system inaugurated by His Excellency amongst the Chinese,- -an institution quite apart from that of the Colony--is working ad- mirably, but the last thing which a resident here could dream of would be the handing over to any Chinese, whether in Tithings, Hundreds or otherwise than as parties directly and openly interested therein like the Licensees, the slightest control
over their Gambling brethren. The Committee little know what a door they proposed to open to the vilest corruption and chicanery when they suggested the controlling of Gambling at Hongkong by Chinese Tithings, and Frank pledges!
19. His Excellency is unable to follow the reasoning of the Committee in the other portions of Par. 9 of their Memorial, because he can only state as the general result of the most determined efforts on the part of himself and all his subordinates, that, whatever might have been the varying nature of his expectations from tune to time, he has long been convinced of the impossibility of putting down Gambling by any Police which it is possible to procure here, or even with the best Police in the world, if they could be procured, and were stationed Six Months here.
20. Sooner than recur to the infamous Past His Excellency would prefer legalising Gambling of all descriptions in the Colony, which is the only alternative that he thinks practicable, but he has steadily declined to bear a part voluntarily in continuing the sham which the Committee unwittingly recommend.
21. It is easy for the latter to say that the honest policy now followed detracts from "
the free and noble institutions of the Colony, which were one day to stand 'as a model to work the regeneration of the Chinese Empire." Do the Con- mittec seriously think that the shrewd natives of China respected this Government a whit more, either for its intelligence or its efficiency, when the laws of the Colony merely rendered an irrepressible vice more dangerous and odious, whilst it brought to light the venality of the paid guardians of the Law? Or do the Committee recommend that Public men instead of seeking to effect the greatest amount of good and shape their policy by what is itself right and practically most beneficial, should rather aim at a style of "ad captandum" Legislation, tinselled and varnished to catch the applause of vapid declaimers, but ill fitted to win the approval of earnest men, thoroughly understanding the question, and filled with a conscientious sense of their responsibility?
22. His Excellency has not the slightest doubt, that this Government is really more respected now, especially since none but Chinese have been permitted to enter the Licensed Houses. The natives knew long ago that the Government was unable to suppress illegal Gaming Haunts. They know now that the Govern- ment is honest enough to confess it. They also know that crime in the Colony is reduced more than a third, whilst larceny amongst servants, a crime generally traceable to Gaming losses, is 75 per cout less than it had been before the Licenses were issued.
23. The Governor further denies the existence of that "great scandal and discontent" at the Government policy, which the Committee assert to prevail "here and on the Coast of China," That policy was inaugurated with the unanimous approval of the Executive and Legislative Councils. It has been, for a series of years, a measure favored by the local experience of each Governor and his advisers. It has now been removed from the region of mere speculation and experiment, and proves that it is possible by its agency to suppress the gross evils inseparable from illegal Gambling dens of iniquity. Moreover, the "scandal and discontent" are each comparatively limited, as well in duration as extent, for, here they are chiefly but recently generated by the reaction of an agitation maintained in England by well meaning persons, ignorant of the circumstances which have produced and which justify that policy. Such ignorance is perhaps natural, but the comparisons of Hongkong with Heligoland and Baden most forcibly and aptly illustrate the unfounded inferences to which it leads.
24. Therefore unless by direct command of Her Majesty's Government, with which the responsibility of the change would then rest, His Excellency is not
prepared to abandon the important results already obtained for any mere sentimental objection, or because a Revenue still irrepressibly arises from the policy, by which on the whole the greatest good can be effected. He would personally be delighted to get rid of that Revenue, if the Committee would only make some practicable suggestion enabling him to do so without sacrificing the power, which he now has, over the Licensees, and which as yet, he sees no safe means of dispensing with.
25. In conclusion I have to state that His Excellency is well aware, he had no actual claim on the Committee's attention, except to request their correction of a misstatement by them of a fact. Nevertheless, as a Member of their Association he craves indulgence for the additional remarks which he has instructed me to make on a subject of some interest to a body established to discuss the most important Social questions.
I have the honor to be,
Your most obedient humble Servant,
J. GARDINER AUSTIN, Colonial Secretary.
APPENDIX.
Extract from Financial Statement, (October, 1868.)
By His Excellency SIR RICHARD GRAVES MACDONNELL, C.B.,
12. Before concluding the subject of Revenue I call attention to the fact that the fees from the Licensed Gaming Houses are now withdrawn from the heading of unavailable deposits. I lay before you the despatch of the Secretary of State authorising application of that Revenue to certain Colonial purposes--and till some means of obtaining equal control over the classes addicted to illegal Gaining with all its evil consequences to the community can be devised, it certainly seems wise to use it for the improvement of the Police force which is mainly required to repress irregularities and crime, originating in or fostered by Gambling. It is at least wiser to devote it to that or other useful public objects than to throw it into the sea or get rid of it in some more objectionable manner on the plea that no Revenue should accrue from such a source.
13. My creed on such matters is a very simple one. I hold that a Government is bound to do as much good and suppress as much evil as it can. I have therefore not hesitated to advance straight forward towards that object. I have never been deterred by the secondary consideration that a Revenue was unavoidably created thereby, whether I liked or disliked that result, nor have I been persuaded by the reasoning, if I may use such a term, of some estimable persons who appear com- paratively indifferent to the existence of a Public evil, provided their own theory that we should leave sin and vice alone prevails.
14. Such persons, if they pursue their argument to its legitimate conclusion,
must be prepared to see our Navy and Army decimated by a disease which Legis- lation can mitigate, sooner than meddle officially with what they call sin in the one case, or vice in the other, and thus they would leave both to mature and fructify- the pestilence to spread and this City to be infested by illegal Gaming haunts frequented by the criminal classes with the usual results to society of such assem- blages. Moreover they seem to apply their theories to all parts of the world and to all populations alike. They would govern the Saxon race of Kent and the Chinese on the same principles, and would think it wrong to meet the exigencies of each separate community with Legislation adapted to its local requirements.
15. I need scarcely say that no such policy has been countenanced by this Gov- erument. On the contrary, I and my Executive Council have from the first felt it a positive duty to admit the existence of the two evils alluded to and frankly acknowledge that we cannot suppress them. We feel, consequently, more especially bound to exert ourselves to obtain a practical control over evils which we have not the power to eradicate, and thereby at least try to alleviate the mischiefs inseparable from each. I am therefore gratified to report that not Increly has the new system been successful in closing the old dens of iniquity and substituting for them Houses regulated by strict Government surveillance, but also that there is strong reason to infer, contrary to the prophecies not unnaturally indulged in at first, that the system has reacted beneficially on the parties more immediately reached by it.
16. Thus, contrary to general expectation, and far exceeding any hope of my own, you will find from the Return, which I now lay before you, that the crime which seemed most likely to have increased is that which has most diminished, namely, Larceny amongst servants. During the first quarter following the opening of the Licensed Houses the number of those cases brought before the Police Magistrates averaged the same as in the preceding Three years, viz., about 80, whereas during the first quarter of this year they had diminished 50 per cent, and during the second quarter 75 per cent.
17. Recently all Foreigners have been excluded from the Licensed Houses, because the argument that licensing a few Ilouses had been found essential to obtain control for Police purposes over a vice amongst the Chinese-which after the most vigorous efforts the Executive could not suppress-is not applicable to Foreigners, and therefore affords no justification for permitting them to use the Licensed Houses, as it is not Foreigners who constitute the criminal classes of the Colony. There is no risk therefore of their Gambling tendencies leading to the establishment of illegal haunts where Burglaries and Robberies may be planned by those who meet in such places in defiance of the Law.
18. I must add that, although it is true the Houses were originally licensed without any intention of encouraging Foreigners to go there, I am nevertheless now surprised, that it did not sooner occur to me to rid the licensing system of this its least defensible feature, and it appears strange that no one else, so far as I am aware, made the suggestion earlier.
19. When I had once become convinced of the propriety and saw the possibility of excluding Foreigners, I was quite prepared to make the most liberal abatement to the Licensees of the fees which they were then paying, viz: $13,000 per month. I would willingly have reduced them to $10,000 or $8,000 or to any other amount which might be proved necessary to compensate them for the loss entailed by the exclusion of Foreigners. Just then, however, the close of the first year of the operations of the Licensees was approaching, and some disputes unexpectedly arose between them and their agents when settling accounts, which led to the discovery that, so far from losing, as they had endeavoured to prove, they had, through the many reductions which I had made in their fees, been gainers during the past year to an extent beyond the legitimate amount which the exigencies of the system justified. At the same time, offers were made to Government to take up the business by men of equal capital, and one offer based on most excellent se- curity and with the understanding that Foreigners were to be excluded, amounted to $240,000 per aunura.
20. Nevertheless the experience acquired by the old Licensees, their readiness to expend money in detecting returned convicts and the effective assistance which they had given the Police generally, made me unwilling to change them for parties less experienced. The old Licensees, therefore, continue the business, but instead of a reduced fee of $10,000 per month they pay a fee of $18,000.
21. Thus one more is added to the numerous list of unexpected and impro- bable results, which the working of the experiment has developed. In fact my own despatches on the subject are throughout filled with similar reversals of previous calculations, and perhaps I am now about to add one more to the series, when I express the opinion that, if Foreigners be excluded, as under any circums tances must be the case, the fee of $18,000 per month will not leave the Licensees a sufficient profit to make them as careful as is requisite to retain it by attention to the Government Regulations.
22. These explanations, which moreover have a special interest of their own, have become necessary, because the Council should know why the License Fees for the Estimates of the ensuing year are not computed on the basis of so high a figure as they now reach monthly. On the contrary the Estimate of the receipts for 1869, has been left by me at $156,000 per annum, being the amount computed when the calculations were entered into several weeks back.
At present
the probability is that the amount named will be exceeded, but the uncertainty attending the subject is too great to justify an alteration of the original Estimate.
COMPARATIVE QUARTERLY RETURN OF NUMBER OF CASES OF LARCENY BY SERVANTS
FROM 1865 ro 1868.
GAMBLING UNLICENSED PREVIOUS TO
GAMBLING LICENSED SUBSEQUENT TO 15TH SEPTEMBER, 1867.
15TH SEPTEMBER, 1867.
15th September to #1st | December, 1867.
1st January to 31st March, 1668,
1st April to 30th
June, 1868.
Convicted,
Discharged,
J. GARDINER AUSTIN,
Colonial Secretary.
27th July, 1868.
Extract from Report of Meeting of Legislative Council Hongkong,
13th October 1868.
Vide Supplement to Hongkong “Overland Trade Report,” 19th October, 1868.
GOVERNOR,.
"This money must be dealt with some way, and it was better that it should be dealt with by this Council than that it should be disposed of by others as would be the case, if the Council disregarded their privilege and their duty.
Mr. Keswick, suggested that direct taxation should be reduced.
THE GOVERNOR, continned that he opposed receiving such money for the purpose of lightening the burdens of the Colony, and on this point be claimed the support of Mr. Taylor, and those who thought with him. Doubtless they would never consent to using money obtained in a mauner so objectionable, as they thought, to diminish the taxes. He had himself stated to the Secretary of State that so long as the Colony raised by the Stamp Duty the money required to meet its liability on account of the Military Contribution, the Community could not justly be charged with being influenced by sordid motives in dealing with a fund whose existence was the unavoidable result of a policy which had proved the most effective, if not the only available, Police measure to put down many of the most dangerous evils. To diminish the taxes of the Colony with it was quite another thing."
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Copy G. P. C.
Conson 23 June 1889 V
of August 1869-
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281⁄2 Aril, 1850.
My Lord.
I have the how to actuation
Your Lordship's diskutch of the 106 of March, At 23, with hnclosure from the General Pot office in London,
suggesting the adoption by this Government of an arrangement
The Right Hongable
Carl Granville, K. G.,
Her Majestyp Principal Secretary of State,
already entered into between India, the Australian Colonies, and the Straits Settlements by which instead of sharing, the inland fortare, the despatching office whet the portare of Books and Patterns
in advance when they
are holid
and retains tivo Kirds of the
amount, the office receiving
them making no delivery. –
As by this method to use the works of Mr. Filley, the brouble of Keeping accounts of the resfictive inland rates due to the despatching and receiving Colony is avoided, and the only item to be brought
account is the
amount of cea
portage (one-third) due to the Mother Conubry, I entirely affrove it and, with the advice of the Postmaster Generi here I have, to request your
Louddhing to be
enough to intimate to Her Majesty's Postmaster General that the
arrangement of details and the date at which the should commence is left entirely
to his department.
new system
I have the houn to be
My Lord.
Your Lordship's masoschient humble Servant,
Rashid finns
Thraus Mardormell
Governan
Gong Kong.
1674. 28th April, 1859.
Third Graves has tonnell,
The Right Amble
Karl Granville, K.S.
Port office-
Adoption & system already in
force with the Australian Colonies and Siraits Settlements relative to division of Portize on Packeti of Books and Patterns.
1000. Hong Kong
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I have the hour to transmit
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the Surveyor keveral to 2:50 Custo
of Patland Cement for the Sea Wall in course of Construction at Bonham Strand, and to request
The Right Honorable
Earl Granville K.A..
Her Majesty's Principal Secretary of State,
that the necessary instructions may be ikened to the Crown Agents In their early conveyance to bong tong by sailing ship.
I have the honor to be, My Love.
Lordship's most obedient
humble Servant
whard frames
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In 6881j
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Duplicate
Materials required from England for the Surveyor General's Department to be sent out by the Crown Agents for the Colonies-
approximate cost. F225.0
250 Casts Portland Cement
Chargeable to § Report 3th stemnate. P? 23 of NGS,
Approved-
Surveyor General.
Ratidifiers Mandimell
trọng trong
242 April 1869-
Houstong 695
Downing Street,
21. June 1869
Gentlemen,
I am directed by the Secretary of State to authorize
you to comply with the enclosed Perquisition from the Surotyor General of Hongkong for 250 cucks of Portland Gment for the sun wall in course of construction at Bonham Strand, extimated at an approximal's cost of 225 £.
The Governor requests that may be conveyed to Hongkong by sailingship as early as possible.
Gentlemen,
Your obedient Servant,
The Crown Agents for the Colonies,
5a, Spring Gardens.
Hongkong
695- Hongkong
Downing Street,
21 June 1869.
I have the honor to inform you that the Crown Agents have been instructed to comply with the Peequisition enclosed in your Despatch No. 695 of the 27th of April for 250 casks of Portland Cement for the sea wall in course of construction at Benham Strand. estimated at an approximate cost of 225 £. 225£.
The Officer Administering
the Government of
Hongkong
I have the honor to be,
Your most obedient humble Servant,
For Park Granville.
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My Lords.
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28 € Afric, 1859. —
I have the honor to submit,
for Your Lordship's sauction, the following bufflementary Sueforli and Estimates; namely: –
Se 39 of 1858 for comfletion of Repairs to Government bouse $2,31923
The Right Fonnable
Earl Granville, K.B.,
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JP.HC & 1863 for completion of
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6002 Kong lg 310
In 68827
erection & Fountain in Public
Cardens - $1488 $7
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Your Lordship's most obedienti
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